Is there any legal or political solution to gun violence in America?

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Is there any legal or political solution to gun violence in America?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    9 vote(s)
    29.0%
  1. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    I don't think you can prove any of that.
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Not true. Crime has dropped for decades.
    Covid saw an uptick.

    Obviously mass shootings involve a mentally unstable person.
    We should deal with mental illness with something other than pills administered by oneself.
     
  3. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    People tend to forget The Inconvenient Truth.

    THE number of crimes involving handguns reached
    its highest level for seven years in 2000…


    The total was more than a third up on the previous
    year, according to figures given in a parliamentary
    written answer by Lord Bassam of Brighton, a Home
    Office minister.”
    THE TELEGRAPH, Handgun crime ***soars*** despite Dunblane ban, By Thomas Harding, 11/01/01. (*** mine)
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1314245/Handgun-crime-soars-despite-Dunblane-ban.html
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Use volunteers. There are millions of qualified retired veterans and police officers who would be happy to station themselves at card tables on every floor of every school for coffee, donuts and a school lunch.
     
  5. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Wait. A swindler, cheat and fraud the head of the right wing.
    Cheated on his 3rd wife with a prostitute when she was near birthing his youngest child of those 3 wives.

    The RW list all ethics rights with their leader.
     
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    Solution to "gun violence"

    Sure. Lock up perpetrators with mandatory minimum sentencing laws for any criminal convicted of using a firearm to commit a violent felony. Time for the crime + 40 years....I promise...that will get the message out and at the very least, those that are committing the day to day violence wont be released back into their communities to create more victims.

    Lets start there.
     
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    Do you want teachers or law enforcement teaching kids.
    Those are separate professions.
     
  8. dairyair

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    Proof.
    And how is it today?
     
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    Source?
    Where do you get they want to volunteer?
     
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    Guns other than ARs have been used in 65% of the 142 mass shootings recorded 1982. Those percentages skyrocket if you include the gang related lil thug wannabe school shootings where handguns are used almost exclusively.

    For all the lanti-gun lefts whining about ARs, the FACTS show that ARs or rifles of ANY TYPE are responsible for fewer deaths in any given year than people using just their hands and feet as weapons. Handguns remain the primary weapon of choice for the 10,000 plus murders committed annually.

    BTW...Audrey Hale was not equipped with 2 ARs...she was carrying a handgun, an AR style weapons, and a 9mm pistol caliber carbine (a Keltec Sub 2000)...and that is the weapon she is seen carrying.
     

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    Teachers teach kids in the hallways and by the entrances -- by playing chess and checkers?
     
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    Asked and answered. Repeatedly.

    In the UK and Australia it now as easy to buy a gun as it is to order pizza or shop at a supermarket.

    "Chris, a stocky but affable thirty-something South
    Londoner recently retired from a career in armed robbery,
    comes bounding back from the bar with a cheeky grin on
    his face. 'It'll be about 20 minutes,' he says. 'Less time than
    it takes to deliver a pizza
    and plenty of time for another
    drink. Same again?'

    We are sitting behind a busy pool table in the dingy annexe of
    a pub on the outskirts of Catford which, according to Chris, is
    one of the easiest places in the capital to buy an illegal gun. ...

    Few will be surprised that the number of illegal guns used on
    the streets of London is currently at an all-time high
    , with at
    least two shootings and four armed robberies every day since
    the start of the year...."
    THE EVENING STANDARD, ***Welcome to gun city 2002***, By Danny Brown, 12, April, 2012. (*** mine)
    https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/welcome-to-gun-city-2002-6302217.html

    London's murder rate finally surpassed New York in 2018. Progress?
     
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    Why would anyone assume that most if not all retired police officers and veterans would hesitate to volunteer to protect school children if given the opportunity?
    Think it through.
     
  14. edna kawabata

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    I'm sure the rest of your "facts are just as reliable.

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    IMHO, it's not about the type of gun. A shop needs to check if the person buying is able to buy one.
    While in about all other cases everybody else is just able to sell, give, rent, lend whatever gun to who ever.
    Aint that odd?
     
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    That is a nutty conclusion. Did the Colt company say that?

    It wasn't selected because of its lethality. It was selected because the ammunition would be lighter and a soldier could carry more. It is less lethal than the 7.62 M14 it replaced.

    Semi auto rifles have been popular for a very long time with ordinary people. It is overkill for home defense if one is dealing with a single perp. It is ideal when one is dealing with several of them

    I don't own one. I don't know anybody that owns one but I would have no reason to dispute the statistic.

    A pastime? hyperbole much? Every school shooting is a horror. In the old days we didn't let sociopaths live among the rest of us. They were confined in mental hospitals. We didn't have any school shootings. We got weak and we are paying a price for that weakness. Audrey was known to be a sociopath or something most of us don't have to live with.
     
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    They do?
    What are they teaching?
     
  18. dairyair

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    1 article from 21 yrs ago? Come on.

    Your link title:
    Welcome to gun city 2002
     
  19. dairyair

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    Where do you get they want to?
    They retired and are old.

    Come on, think it through.
     
  20. dairyair

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    And his 1 story is 21 yrs old.


    How can we believe all that evidence?
     
  21. Turtledude

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    how often would a teacher have to actually defend their students if the mopes got the news that breaking into a given school would most likely mean one of the teachers would shoot the intruder? You seem to think that teachers would be training 20 hours a week
     
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    I own a bunch of them for several different reasons

    1) home defense in both 556 and 9mm
    2) National service rifle events
    3) 3G competitions
    4) Steel speed shooting events in 9mm
    5) one specifically built for varmint control

    you are right about why the M16 was chosen. as warfare tactics evolved, the rifleman is more there to suppress movement while artillery and airpower inflicts most of the casualties. A soldier with almost 300 rounds is more effective than one with 160 rounds even if his weapon has a shorter range and is less lethal
     
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    Here is the problem with your argument and that of your fellow travelers on the left

    1) you claim you want to ban "assault weapons" to stop murders
    2) Yet, these weapons are used in less murders than fists or knives
    3) Handguns are-by a far margin-the weapon of choice for murders

    yet you gun banners don't target them

    so obviously stopping murders is not your true motivation
     
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  24. dairyair

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    Why do you bother to ever respond to a post?
    You never address a single thing anyone posts. You just make up total nonsense with stupid ad hom BS.

    Do you ever try to post to a topic?
     
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    Irony runs deep here
     

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