Is wokeness the remedy to fascism?

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Academic freedom doesn't prevent a professor from making red herrings.

    Obviously, you didn't read my post.
     
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    Speaking of red herrings. I see you're using one of your own. You just prove why I love referencing left sided sources. You can't argue against your own side. So you ignore it and present a red herring.
     
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    I wonder if he thinks he's being Sly or if he really believes everyone is dumber than he is.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Absolutely not! Something being unique to white people doesn't imply they are racist. Absolute nonsense! In fact, the CRT frame of reference is based on the concept that individual people are NOT racist. In other words, "racism" is not something that describes individual people's attitudes.

    However, this thread is NOT about CRT. If you want to discuss CRT, the appropriate thread is the following
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/what-does-critical-race-theory-teach.589535/

    Whether you want to discuss it there or not is up to you. But THERE you will find the explanation as to what CRT is and what it ISN'T.
     
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    Wokeness is not a remedy for fascism; wokeness is fascism.

    The Fascists Next Door: How Woke Fascism and Progressives ...
    https://www.barnesandnoble.com › Books


    Oct 19, 2022 — The Fascists Next Door explores how millions of progressives and woke Americans have become the foot soldiers of "woke-fascism"-- a highly ...
     
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    Why don't you pretend you know what the word "scholar" means by refraining from using it. Maybe if you don't use it we might eventually "forget" that you had no clue what it means.
     
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    I argue with my side every day. Being a progressive is not a religion, like most right wingers view their own "side". Believe it or not, there are idiots on the left too. Maybe not as many but... they do exist.
     
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    There's nothing new to wokeness.

    The Essence of Wokeness | Psychology Today
    https://www.psychologytoday.com › blog › jerkology


    Sep 7, 2021 — Wokeness is a new buzzword for an old concept: revelation, epiphany, ... Islam, Protestantism, Communism, Naziism, fascism, hipsterism, ...

    ". . . By this non-partisan, non-denominational definition of woke, there have been many woke movements throughout history: Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, Protestantism, Communism, Naziism, fascism, hipsterism, Maga—many manifestations of the “I once was lost but now I’m found” ideal, and many avatars, saints, and demagogues who people have embraced as representatives of their enlightened ideal. . . . "
     
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    Nothing new. I would expect you to believe that "being aware of social problems like racism and inequality" is "fascism". People who understand history and political science opine exactly the opposite.
     
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    And you're still continuing with the red herring.
     
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    Apparently not. Please see #83 and #86.
     
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    this thread is about 'wokeness', which CRT is enough a part of that problems with CRT lead to problems with 'wokeness'.

    "Although many Whites feel that being White has no meaning, this feeling is unique to White people and is a key part of what it means to be White; to see one’s race as having no meaning is a privilege only Whites are afforded. To claim to be “just human” and thus outside of race is one of the most powerful and pervasive manifestations of Whiteness" is just a long winded way of saying white people don't value a racial identity and that causes racism. Clearly you don't see a problem with that logic... but a lot of other people do, and they're not 'racist' for disagreeing with what they see as a logical fallacy.
     
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    Scholars don't support conspiracy theories.

    It's like being a scholar in muggle studies or Jedi.
     
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    CRT is an academic framework. Which means it's used in Academia to analyze the effects of institutional racism. It represents one possible way to analyze racism. And inclusiveness does include ethnic disparities. And racism is one of those aspects that wokeness wants people to be aware of. So in an extremely roundabout way you can say that this thread has a little bit to do with wokeness. But you'd have to dance around in circles to identify one with the other. To say that this thread is about CRT is like claiming that it's about the Colorado massacre. In the sense that ... yeah... it has "something" to do with it. But not much...

    If you're so intent on discussion CRT, why not discuss it in the thread about the topic?
     
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    Oh yes they do! I mean, there are DEFINITELY scholars who support conspiracy theories. You seem intent on demonstrating your lack of familiarity with the academic world. No need. We got the message....
     
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    No it's self refuting BS. Anybody in academia that uses it as framework is discredited.
    It's self refuting pseudo science.

    Wokeness is fascism.
     
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    the older quote is "if fascism ever comes to america it will be holding a bible and be wrapped in the flag" nothing irks me more than conservatives pointing to MLK and quoting him, when their grandfathers called him a communist and worse, those most resistant to change in anyway are "conservative" and in many instances this translates to slow learners
     
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    So academics are morons?
     
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    Only the ones who voted for Trump.
     
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    Yeah, we know how much you like conservative blacks and Hispanics. Dems were racist in 1860 and racist today. You can;t survive without discriminating against one group or another.
     
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    by just mentioning and calling southern civil war era democrats the same as todays democrats, you loose most of your credibility in all but the most RW discussions, thank you
     
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    I dunno who exactly is the real authority on defining what these terms actually mean, but 'black agenda report' says: "It will take more than cheap dog-whistle scare tactics to stop the universal demand for justice — which is the real meaning of CRT and “Wokeness. So, apparently they both mean the same thing, at least to the author of the article. I don't see any reason to suspect Thad Baltimore knows any less (or more) about it than we do... suffice to say, 'woke' appears to mean different things to different people.

    But according to your definitions, CRT is the 'academic framework' of spreading awareness of racism and inequality, which is 'wokeness'. To put it simpler, CRT is the 'academic framework' of 'wokeness' (or, waking people up). Thats a lot more to do with it than 'not much.'
     
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    You're the one losing credibility if you democrats have changed, they haven't.

     
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