Islam has no case

How can you prove God wrote the Bible? How can you prove God didn't write the Quran?

Since I can't prove either of these, neither of them are wrong.

But, since you are so sure God wrote the Bible and has nothing to do with the Quran, I'd love to see you're proof.

I don't know, I wasn't around to hear Jesus PBUH say it.

Salam

 

Islam denies the most basic belief of Christianity, which is that Jesus was the Son of God, who came down to Earth as a man, was crucified, died for our sins, rose from the dead, ascended to the Father, and will come again to judge the living and the dead.

Christianity and Islam can't both be true because Islam denies this basic fundamental belief of Christianity.

Islam claims that Mohammed spread Islam and therefore Mohammed is more important than Jesus Christ.

That's odd, because Moses knew he was a prophet, and so did Elijah and all the other Old Testament prophets. Why did God not tell Mohammed he was a prophet?

A miracle is a violation of the physical laws of the universe. For example, Christ fed thousands of people with five fish and two loaves of bread. Christ turned water into wine. Christ cured the blind and lepers. Christ raised the dead. Did Mohammed ever do anything like that?

None of this is a miracle. A cloud following you could be a coincidence. Learning how to read and write is something anyone can do if they put their mind to it. A miracle is a violation of the physical laws of the universe.

I'm sure many people have memorized the Koran, and also many people have memorized the Bible, and many people have memorized the plays of Shakespeare. Feats of human memory are not miracles.

Amen, to you.

 

God didn't write the Bible. The authors of the Bible were men who were divinely inspired.

Mohammed claimed that the Koran was actually written by God. So he has elevated the Koran above the Bible, which was written by men.

Because the Koran is literally the words of God, it is inflexible and cannot be reformed. That's why the Muslim religion has not developed into a more civilized religion since the 7th century. Muslims still take literally passages about killing adulterers with stones.

The Old Testament is filled with similar passages about stoning adulterers, but by Jesus' time the last person actually stoned for adultery was 100 years in the past. The Jewish religion became more civilized over time and the Christian religion has also became more civilized over time. Christians used to burn heretics and witches but that was hundreds of years ago.

But Islam remains the same and there doesn't seem any possibility that it will ever change for the better.

 

Psssst! Don't let any of our Christian fundamentalists here hear you say that! They'll roar in protest!

Obviously you're not very versed in Muslim history. Some Muslims in some countries still stone people. Most countries with a Muslim majority have abandoned the practice. And I'd be very surprised if any of the Muslims I know suddenly asked to stone anybody.

Really? The Jewish historian Titus Flavius Josephus reports on stoning well after Jesus' death. But you are of course right that the practice was already criticized by Jewish scholars by then, They used arguments that - had Georgia have taken them to heart - would have prevented Troy Davis' execution today.

 

What is undoubtedly true is that Muslims have as much faith in their religion to be true as Christians have faith in theirs to be true.
There's no way of finding out who's right in our lifetime, or if both are wrong or maybe - because God is higher than our reasoning - both are right in a way. In questions like these it's die and learn.

 

Ooh! Ooh! Liar liar pants on fire! I'm well aware of the Church's position on Islam. We (the real Catholics) only concede that Muslims "profess" to believe in the God of Abraham. It's a distinction that I'm sure went right over your head, but real Catholics are well aware of. Here's what the CCC really says:

Next time you want to misquote the CCC, try to find a sucker who will buy it.

 

I didn't misquote it. "One and only God"!
Your Pope would be ashamed to read your rants about this religion and the one God all Abrahamic religions pray to. Unlike you he strives for inter-religious dialogue and peace as did the Pope before him. He'd never call this one God "satanic" no matter whether his followers call him Yahweh or Allah (as by the way not only Muslims, but also Arab Christians do).

 

Liar Liar pants on fire!

 

I can see that the truth is painful for you.

 

There were two executions in the US yesterday. Troy Davis in Georgia and a white supremacist in Texas. Why didn't you mention the execution of the guy in Texas?

 

I know God wrote the Bible. Through inspiration upon men. The Bible declares it. Jesus Christ declares it. The Spirit of God in me declares and confirms it.

The Bible says Jesus said, 'salvation is of the Jews'. Was Jesus lying? Is the Bible wrong? Is this the Jesus Islam 'respects'?

You see, the people in the Bible, that Islam supposedly respects, are only what they believe about the individuals. Which is a perversion of what the Bible says. So Islam presents this facade of respect as they do for everything else. When in actuality, it's another lie of Islam.

Quantrill

 

The same reason no one else did. He was white. So, he deserved it. Funny isn't it how everyone wants to do away with the death penalty when a black man is being executed and keep silent when the white man is executed.

They indeed are the racists and hypocrits.

Quantrill

 

Because it wasn't mentioned in the international news I watched, so I didn't know about it. The reason why one was mentioned and the other wasn't is probably because there was so much lack of evidence in the case of Troy Davis that his execution was highly debated.
Of course both wouldn't have been executed under gentle Rabbi Akiba, who, in the Sanhedrin, never condemned anyone to death. Today's Judaism largely follows the logic of Maimonides who said: "It is better and more satisfactory to acquit a thousand guilty persons than to put a single innocent one to death." http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Maimonides

 

Islam has just as much a case as any other religion. Those here suggesting only their religion is true have EXACTLY THE SAME reasons that Muslims would provide, namely faith and "self knowing". Its a no win situation. Religion generally is based on false premises, but religion generally also has the relatively consistent trait of espousing core human values, namely the consideration of the interests of others.

 

Well, that's a contradiction. Bible was written by man, not God. I'm sorry but you need a better argument like that. If I was like you, I simply would of laughed at this, but I'm not.

Islam describes the Bible as God's word, only corrupted by man.

Try again.

Yes, there was. And the man was guilty of tying a black man to back of his truck and dragging him down the street. There was evidence, no question marks in the case.

You sympathize with this man. What do you think about Davis' execution? The case was one big question. He was murdered with no physical proof he committed anything. And he stuck with this story until his death.

There is no comparision between cases. If you want to get racial, compare victim responses:

McPhail family was glad he was executed. While the world protested, they stayed quiet.

The son who lost his father to Brewer protested AGAINST his execution, while the world stayed quiet.

I find it strange you try comparing these two cases....

Or maybe you are the racists for feeling this way. As if you knew about Brewers execution until it was mentioned. I bet you didn't even know what his name was, or what he did.

Unless you approve of dragging black people with your truck.....

 

Also because he was a white racist. Never mind that Tookie Williams was a black racist because the hypocritical left never gets past the word "black". Everything Tookie did was ok, wasting two cops and being a racist, because he's black he's a victim of an unfair racist system that executed him because of his race.

 

The international press didn't mention the Texas execution because it had no problem with the govt. taking a white life.

I oppose capital punishment because I have a problem with the govt. taking any life as a matter of criminal justice.

The fact that the international press was silent confirms the views of American conservatives about the hostility of the world to us. And it validates our reciprocation of that hostility.

 

I oppose capital punishment in all cases. Stop stereotyping.

 

I just read up on it! That man and his aunt show what I'd call the true Christian spirit of forgiveness!

 

When I started reading your post I thought all I'd come across would be the usual drivel, but then I read this

Who would have thought? A point in which we agree! Amazing!

 

Some people participating in this thread might find this article interesting:

"Pope Benedict wins over German Muslims in first meeting since Regensburg speech"
http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld...ims-in-first-meeting-since-regensburg-speech/

 

A ridiculous argument. Forgiveness has nothing to do with the civil penalty for a crime. I can forgive somebody and still insist that they face the full consequences of their actions. It's a warped view of forgiveness to suggest that a forgiving person should seek a stay of punishment to prove their forgiveness. The application of strong penalities for crime is, in my view, the most merciful thing any government can do.

 

The spectrum of conservative thought is broad, deep and varied.

 

It wasn't an argument but a statement. If you think it's ridiculous and that it is in any way Christian to defend the death penalty it is just further prove that our respective views on what the teachings of Jesus tell us differ in many ways.

What doesn't fail to amuse me though that quite often the staunchest supporters of the death penalty in the USA find the death penalty in countries with a Muslim majority to be a sign of utter barbarism of Islam.

 

That's because no real comparison can be made.

1. The accused have rights in this country, they don't in Muslim countries
2. Death penalty is applied only for the equivocal crime of murder in the U.S.
In Muslim countries, it can be applied for just about anything.
3. Muslims execute several people in a day for all crimes real or imagined. They do so on the streets, making a show of it. Children are exposed to the macabre display of carnage. No wonder they grow up so violent.
4. Muslims apply the death penalty for religious violations. We do not.
5. Trials are swift, appeals are few, and the odds of an innocent person being executed are geometrically higher in Muslim nations.
6. American juries are reticent to prescribe death. Muslims pass out death sentences like toilet paper.
7. The American justice system defends the culture of life. The Islamic system the culture of death and rigid religious law.

There is no comparison.