Islam has no case

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  1. MegadethFan

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    How so? The Quran specifically stated Christians and Jews follow the same God. Trinity is just considered a manipulation of the truth Jesus brought.

    This doesn't change what I said.
     
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    Do Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Father?

    Do Muslims believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Father?
     
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    How do the obvious answers to this refute my point? Christians are still people of the book. God in Christian thought is the same as Allah. Simply because Muslims reject the trinity does not change these facts.
     
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    Is Allah part of the Holy Trinity of Christianity?
     
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    Yep. Allah = God. According to Muslims however, the trinity is not correct, but Christians disagree.
     
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    Well, if you are correct then Muslims must recognize Jesus as Christ the Redeemer.
     
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    LOL No Jesus is a prophet. God is God, Jesus is Jesus. Some Christians differ and many think Jesus is part of God or something, whilst others simply think he is the son of God, and others think he's just another prophet. Again, they believe in the same God regardless of the trinity.
     
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    Hopefully this time PF won't eat my post. PF can be so frustrating.

    All mainstream Christians believe that Jesus Christ is a divinity as the begotten son of God the Father. One cannot be a real Christian without believing in Christ.

    No Muslim believes in the divinity of Christ because, inter alia, they do not believe Christ is the begotten Son of God the Father. This is the essence of the Islamic Doctrine of Tawhid. This is what Muslims believe makes Islam the perfect religion.

    By way of analogy, Buddhists and Hindus both share a belief in the Wheel of Rebirth, but Buddhists don't believe in the divinity of Rama. And Hindus don't believe in Nirvana.
     
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    Nothing you have said changes the fact Allah and God are exactly the same regardless of the Trinity.
     
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    How do you explain the Doctrine of Tawhid?
     
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    Tawhid (Arabic: توحيد tawḥīd "doctrine of Oneness [of God]"; also transliterated Tawheed and Tauheed) is the concept of monotheism in Islam.[1] It holds God (Arabic: Allah) is one (wāḥid) and unique (ahad).[2]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawhid
     
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    Muslims and Christians don't share a belief in the divinity of Christ. They don't worship the same God.

    Are you a believer? If so, what is your faith?
     
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    Correct.

    Incorrect.

    No and none.
     
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    Muslims and Christians don't believe in the same God.

    Neither am I.
     
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    Yes, they do. Within different concepts, certainly, but its the same God.
     
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    The differing conceptions of God preclude a shared faith.
     
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    No, they dont. They have the same God, just different conceptual frameworks in which he operates.
     
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    I understand your words, but don't agree. The conceptualization of God precludes an overlap of belief. Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet. To Christians this is blasphemy.
     
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    I agree with your premise here, the basic point remains however - God and Allah are two different words for the same being.
     
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    No, the God of the Bible, the Christian God is not allah. allah is no god.

    Quantrill
     
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    Yes, it is.

    Correction, allah = god. There is no God though, yes.
     
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    No. allah is not God. The god of Islam is not God.

    Quantrill
     
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    Yes he is, get over it.

    He is the same God as the Christian one.

    hahah its funny to see you in such a childish state of denial.
     
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    Its funny to see Islam pervert the Bible, pervert the truth of God, yet still want to identify with the God of the Bible.

    It shows the utter inability of Muahmmed who had to build on the Christians faith, because he had no revelation of his own.

    A false prophet for a false religion. For a false god. Rock worshippers of allah.

    If the Muslim is interested in worshipping the true God, then he can throw the koran away, and turn to Jesus Christ. That is my advice.

    Quantrill
     
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    LOL You suck at debating. ALLAH = GOD = YAHWEH
     
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