Islamist militants strike heart of Tehran, Iran blames Saudis

You said we tried to kill them all but they are very resilient, now you say we heed International law, do you think you are stupid ?

 

Arabs dont have dogs.

 

Retro-actively, they earned the fact that we put down democratically-elected Mossadegh in 1953 to put an autocratic regime in its place, huh professor? We just knew they were going to turn all religious and stuff. Gee, I wonder why they fight ISIL instead of driving trucks intio crowds in London...

Frankly, I trust Iran much, much more than I trust Israel. Iran doesn't decide what my government will be like it does in the US, for starters. They don't cost my country billion dollars a years. What do you think I am, blind like you? Besides, Iran gave us Freddy Mercury.

 

No, you were right.
The invasion of Iraq, in which something like 30 countries were involved, was also right. But leaving a 'stable and sovereign Iraq' in December of 2011 was horribly wrong, the worst political/wartime blunder in US history and, worse, it may have been deliberate.

 

1- You do try to kill/harm/piss as much of them as you can as long as you think you can get away with.
2- You don't observe international law as much as stretching it, often with miserable results, once again for as far as you think you can get away with.
3- You do think we are stupid goyim.

 

I do not question your bravery when you sold off the Lebanease to such fate but still rather hear it from a Lebanease that he's willing to have another such victory on Israel as they had in 2006.

Which you said is too late for that, even according to our generals right ? they are by now too strong.
If they threat/attempt to destroy us we will threat to destroy them, well not really destroy we are not pirates as much as you want us to be, but we can punish them to refrain from violence for many years.

 

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I was wondering when you would get around to that guy.

He was a soviet sympathizer during the most tense period of the Cold War.

But many iranians did not like him either.

Liberals make it sound as if the CIA overthrew his government against the wishes of the people

but in fact we only assisted the iranian royalists who wanted him gone

And for all the hate directed at the shah he was building a modern iran and allowing much freedom in spite of the brutal polices of his secret police.

Since the shah is gone and the crazy mullahs are in power we can see just how wacko the opposition to the shah was

 

I think the motives were good but the results were very bad.

After so much money spent and so many dead and wounded US soldiers we are worse off there than we were before.

I supported the war so I wish I could say otherwise but I can't

 

So yeah, long story short, you put down a democratically elected, secular government to please a rich oligarchic minority. And then you are surprised by the rise of Islamism, which was the sole tolerated form of opposition in the monarchy you just created.

Bravo. Nice short-sightesness. Why don't you guys just stay at home? All of these ressources you put out there end up making a bigger problem than the one last "solved". These ressources would be better used to heal some aggravating homegrown problems, you know... This was a point on which I agreed with pre-election Trump, BTW.

 

I think the stupid goyim know who they are, I have no moral issues to kill anyone that wants me dead and I'd gladly shake hands with those that want normalization, smart goyim get that.

 

Oddly enough, I believe you. You do seem like a reasonneable guy... sometimes...

 

That was unexpected but welcomed....

enjoy the rest of the day

 

A long answer short - yes.

It was the Cold War and sometimes thats how it goes.

Iran was a strategic country then and remains so today

If mossadegn was not threatening to put iran in the soviet orbit we might have tolerated him

 

You seem to be interested in spewing propaganda lines, while I am totally uninterested in these kind of exercises.

The reason that another war hasn't erupted between Israel and Hezbollah since 2006 is because of the "balance of terror" on both sides. This is something the Israelis acknowledge as much as Hezbollah.

The reason there is chance that another war might erupt is because, despite Hezbollah becoming stronger than before, the Israelis feel that the combination of geopolitical factors (Trump, the tacit alliance with the Sunni Arab states, Hezbollah already fighting in another front in Syria, etc) coupled with their newest anti-missile defenses might be changing the balance in their favor.

If there is war, Israel is the one which will initiate the war, not Hezbollah. It might initiate it after Hezbollah responds to an Israeli attack (the Israelis, after a long period of not engaging in such attacks against Hezbollah, have been taking such actions again lately, albeit focusing their attacks in Syria, making it doubly more difficult for Hezbollah to respond because its political allies will not support a war with Israel because of attacks in Syria).

None of what I wrote is propaganda. All of it can be easily learned reading articles from even Israeli sources but certainly reading (slightly) more neutral publications from the mainstream western media.

 

In fact the results were excellent and what was hoped for. Check out the chart and you'll see that in 2010 there were 60 deaths -from all sources- and 54 when Obama decided to pull the troops, against militarily advice. You may also recall that Mitt Romney and many others predicted what would happened if security forces didn't remain. Those casualties in Iraq were fewer for a year than a Chicago weekend. http://www.icasualties.org/Iraq/

After destabilizing Iraq they went on to do the same through much of the Middle east.

 

A week after the Iranian capital was hit by a terrorist attack, last night the people of Iran had something to celebrate instead. Iran's football team became only the 2nd after Brazil to qualify for the 2018 World Cup in Russia, clinching its qualification with 2 games in hand and having not conceded any goals in qualifying. That saw many people in the capital, especially among Iran's younger generation, pour into the streets to celebrate their team's victory. These are normal scenes in Iran, where such celebrations occur with some frequency. But after the terrorist attack in the country, they also signal that hopefully things are back to normal.

 

"Iran accuses Saudis of supporting terrorist groups
Iran's Zarif says Tehran has intelligence that Riyadh supports terrorist groups operating on the eastern side of Iran."
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...porting-terrorist-groups-170613161131456.html
Muslims don't have to look any further than DC to know where the greatest purveyor of violence in the world lives or where KSA gets its guns.

 

If John Kerry had wanted to be specific, he would have said Israel and Wahhabi Arabia instead of "Middle East leaders". Of course, thanks to wikileaks, we knew that already. The Israelis were almost public with their lobbying to push the US to go to war against Iran, while Wahhabi Arabia used to be (they aren't anymore) more discreet publicly while obsessed with Iran privately.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/j...eaders-wanted-us-to-bomb-iran/article/2625972

 

We've been doing the Saudi's dirty work for a long time now. Same thing with Israel.

Personally, I'm tired of my country poking its nose around in the Middle East, because it certainly doesn't belong there. But, as you can imagine, the elites who pull the strings in this country, don't give a ****, as long as they make their money.
So, we are pretty much stuck with Israel, and the Saudis.
I know it's hypocritical to tell the Iranians not to pursue Nukes, but please don't. Not because, Iran doesn't have a reason, or a right to have them, but because it pretty much means WW3.
The Israelis are crazy, they will strike hard at you, and then the US will be forced to act. That'll mean the end of your country. That's not bragging, or bullshit flag waving, that's just a reality. Look, at the Middle East as a whole, we lit that place on fire, because we elected a moron, who decided it was a good idea to Invade Iraq. We altered the whole region due to incompetence. Now just imagine what my country is capable of, if we had a single minded determination to wipe Iran off the map. This is how much of a danger my country has become to the rest of the world.
It saddens me to say, but it's up to the Iranians to be the adults in the room.
Have your "death to America" rallies to your heart's content, and your proxy wars with the Saudis for all I care, just don't open that nuclear box, because there's no going back once you do.

 

Liberty4Ransom;

One thought. If America does become energy independent in the near future, why not pull back from the Mideast (except Saudi Arabia and Israel) and leave it to the Russians and the Chinese? Does anyone really think the arabs will not pick their pockets and cut their throats?

We can check the Iranians southward push with just the Saudis (and $400 billion of arms they are buying) and we can check the Russian/Chinese push into the Mediterranean from Israel and Southern Europe--far easier and far cheaper that fighting every bush war that happens now and in the future in the Mideast.

We are currently bogged down with treaty obligations to protect the smaller gulf states. The Fifth Fleet in Bahrain and the Air Force in Qatar may have to pull out if the Iranians get a nuclear weapon. Let the Gulf Arabs get the Europeans to protect their sea lanes. They can find out what global commitment is about.

 

I don't have any opposition to being energy independent, i think it would be better for our country. But, as long as the Gulf State cartel has the ability to flood the market with cheap crude, it isn't going to happen. As far as getting involved in the nonsense in Yemen, i think it would be disastrous for us. The Saudis have the ability, and capital to wage war against Iran. They can keep fighting on their own border as far as I'm concerned. I whole heartedly agree with your sentiment on Europe. They've benefited from American projection of power for to long. They can deal with the Russians on their own as well.

 

I appreciate your message and understand the sentiments you express. However, the idea that Iran was trying to build nuclear weapons (as opposed to a civilian nuclear program that also gave it "surge capacity", i.e. the capacity to develop nukes quickly if an emergency arose) was always bogus. It was bogus in part because of what you allude to, which meant that in Iran's calculations (wrongly or rightly) having such nukes exposed Iran to more danger than any protection it might have added. Otherwise, before the nuclear deal and for several years, Iran had had all the necessary infrastructure and capabilities to build a few nukes very quickly at any time it decided it wanted such nukes and yet never took that step. With the nuclear deal Iran negotiated, moreover, Iran even gave up that "surge capacity". It dismantled most of its nuclear centrifuges and over 90% of its enriched uranium. It put all of its remaining nuclear material, which are insufficient to build a bomb, in a very exposed facility and under constant IAEA watch. And it has kept its part of the bargain and every other respect.

But, at the end of the day, the issue with Iran that propels Israel, Wahhabi Arabia and the neocons in this direction, isn't its nuclear program per se. Otherwise, if they were truly worried about Iran's nuclear program, they would be the first to celebrate the nuclear deal between Iran and the West instead of being the first to so vehemently oppose it. The issue ultimately is about something more fundamental mixed in with things that are a lot more immediate. On the fundamentals, Iran is too big, too developed, and has too much potential and capability to be left on its own in a region that is otherwise dominated by midgets and US lackeys riding on petrodollars as well as various colonial concoctions which are inherently unstable. On the immediate level, Iranphobia allows for hundreds of billions of dollars of arms trade and the like to fuel the pockets of plenty of people involved in such trade. And those are not issues that Iran can solve or change, even if it does put Iran in plenty of people's bull's eye.

 

Even before the newest deals being negotiated with Wahhabi Arabia, they already had the world's 3rd largest defense budget behind only the US and China and head of Russia (although some other sources put Russia's budget equal to or slightly ahead of Saudi Arabia's).



In comparison to what Iran's enemies and others are spending on their defense programs, Iran'e expenditures don't even amount to a dot on this map.


The Saudis, moreover, have been the world's largest importer of weapons as well even without these new deals which will see their defense spending and imports skyrocket.

 

The Iranians are kidding themselves if they think they will be the only arab kid on the block with a bomb. Saudi Arabia will acquire one for sure. Egypt will follow, then Jordan. They'll form a lose alliance with Israel to keep Iran in check. That's how much they trust Iran.

Syria and Iraq are too paralyzed at the moment to develop/buy a bomb. But it is only a matter of time before they do.

Thanks Iran.