Israel a historical Aggressor, not only re Iran?

This is basically a response to an invitation by a moderator to continue the thread "Who has the Right to Israel". I have renamed the thread given the main theme under discussion when that thread reached the 500 post limit, and events currently in the news. That main theme has to do with the Myth, believed by most Westerners, that Israel was not the aggressor in 1967, a lack of appreciation of what really led up to June 1967, and the recently published views of Israeli leaders from the time. RevAnarchist was the counter party.

Sorry, RevA, but you are misquoting. It is YOU who called it a dog-fight, here. I called April 7th, 1967 an act of War which started the conflict leading up to the June 1967 "Six Day War". That latter war did not just pop up in isolation. Israel Lior agreed. So did Dayan. So did a number of Knesset members, and I have provided you with proof in my post where I supplied you with the references and disproof of hearsay as you requested. The trouble is, as Khalil and others have posted on many occasions, when you are sunk by historical facts you turn silent, only to pop up with the same arguments that have been refuted, as if nothing has happened. And a proof of that is in your post quoted above.

And there are many more such cases. You made a number of suspect claims in this post, and claim that you had provided links as proof thereof. When one checks the one link that there is, it is broken (just like the one above), but you say it refers to photos. So one can go back to your major rebuttal prior to that – the “I am no legal authority” one and, surprise, surprise, it doesn’t contain any evidence for your claims either. A broken link to some photos is the sum total of your support?
So I got tired of the shallow debate and put up what I consider to be two impeccably well-referenced posts. The first one quoted various Israeli leaders that Israel was responsible for the 1967 crisis and that her leaders knew that Nasser was not about to attack. The second was titled “Israel was the prime provoker along the Golan Heights, and started this long before the June 1967 War”. It too quoted Israeli leaders from the time. It also provided a first-hand video reference to the views of the UN observer, Colonel Jan Mühren, which I suggest is a killer piece of evidence of Israels responsibility for the War.

And you have yet to respond to either of these. When next you claim that Israel is not an aggressor, I feel it only right that you should be reminded of this unanswered business.

Previously you tried to make out that Israel was not also the aggressor in 1956 in the Suez War. You even admit that the US instructed Israel to withdraw from conquered territory because she was out of line.

So as we go along this thread, I will invite comment on Suez, the Lebanon massacres, and Operation Cast Lead, all of which I believe show Israel clearly to be the aggressor. I will not bother to reiterate 1948 where Shiva has shown with ample conviction that Israel’s unilateral declaration of Independence was illegal, and that it was THAT which triggered the attack by the Arab countries, nor the 1966/1967 War where her first strike is an established fact and her aggression has been amply shown by the words of Israeli leaders and an impartial observer with impeccable credentials.

 

If you are

1) Surrounding geographically.

2) Vastly outnumbered demographically.

3) With few reliable allies.

Then you are allowed to be militarily aggressive toward possible enemies.

 

Must be weird policy week.

 

Give me a break, Riff Raff, Israel is the victim of one of many jihads of conquest that is simultaneously being waged by the Islamic world perpetually against non-Muslim unbelievers throughout the world that altogether comprise the covert global jihad. Indeed, the Islamic world is also waging jihads of conquest against the Hindu unbelievers in Kashmir, Jammu, and India, the Buddhist unbelievers in Thailand, the Christian unbelievers in the Philippines, the atheist and Orthodox Christian unbelievers in Chechnya and Russia, the animist and Christian unbelievers in Cote D'Ivoire, Nigeria, Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, and Kenya, the Orthodox Christian Serb unbelievers in Bosnia and Kosovo, etc., etc., etc. ad nauseum. Not to mention the covert global jihad being waged against the entire un-Islamic world via mass Muslim immigration that is really covert non-violent jihad for the purpose of stealth demographic conquest to make Islam supreme.

All of that other nonsense that you are obsessed with is Islamic taqiyya meant to distract and dupe gullible useful idiots from what is really happening.

 

Rancid guff.

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Not if you are a group of nazis with no claims whatever on the land you are oppressing or the countries you constantly attack. Everyone's hand ought to be against these swine, but the US is totally under their thumb.

 

Really?

What is it about Israel that brings out the conspiracy loons?

 

I wouln't know - probably the fact that the nazis have the yank politicians by the short and curly, and the holy herds of fundamentalists mooing for them, plus the fact that the brainwashed clowns have all been taught that colonialism is okay if it is some alleged 'Jews' doing it - as if some children called Smith were once abused and that gave some others Smiths entirely the right to abuse everyone else's children forever. It is pretty disgusting.

 

It would make more sense to adopt a better foreign policy, but it is understandable that a better foreign policy would make it more difficult to beg uncle sam for free money.

 

Prove it?

Do you have any idea what is actually taught in American schools about Israel, the Middle East and the modern world?

 

I can hear ducks quack and nutters squawk from here, sonny, let alone read the hogwash that AIPACpuppets send in to all the American sites. You think I need to trail around schools as well? Come ON!

 

Dude...you probably already know this, but you are more than just a little delusional. (*)(*)(*)(*)...according to you Jews are Nazis, they constantly attack others, they are pigs, and the US is their puppets. You said more than a mouthful buddy.

 

I haven't been contacted by AIPAC in my life.

I don't even know if I"ve even met a Jew in my life.

I don't know what nation you are from but you know little about America.

 

Yep. historical Aggressor my a$s.

 

Your image doesn't refute any of Klipkap's points.

 

I believe the most powerful group in Israel today are Ashkenazis a germanic ppl.

The biggest Irony no?

 

I note your use of the word "possible". And in that you have captured the essence of the UTTERLY unacceptable Israeli ethics. Get back to the Green Line and stop the greed.

It happened regarding Suez. It happened in 1966/67; it happened in 1982; it happened in 2009. And we are now 'gatvol' of that greed (seek translation from a South African).

Israel pumps up a "possible" enemy" and then attacks, irrespective of the facts. All its wars are "defensive first strikes", but deep archival research shows that this apologetic view is nonsense. Not acceptable. I will march in the streets of Madrid with the other tens of thousands, if necessary. In the case of Iran the facts do not warrant any attack and I can point you to the "last nail" post. Imagine if the reverse were to happen ... Iran sees a possible enemy and plants a suitcase bomb that it bought from corrupt Russian technocrats in ... pick a place ... Tel Aviv; Birmingham; Boise, Idaho. Is that acceptable? Of course not.

So what is special about Israel in terms of international law. I will tell you what is special. Only one thing. Her big bully mentor holds a veto right in the Security Council.

 

There is nothing there to refute. Tiny Israel (0.2% of the Middle East) has no problem with the existence of huge Arab/Muslim world, the muslim world has a huge problem with Israel's existence.

The arab world wants to wipe Israel off the map but it can't. Israel can easily wipe the arab world off the map but it does not want to.

Given Israel's military superiority if it was an aggressor it would be at least 10 times bigger now than it is. Instead it withdrew from Gaza, Lebanon and gave up the entire Sinai to Egypt for a piece of paper and ice-cold (most likely temporary) peace.

These are undeniable and irrefutable facts which clearly and unambiguously show who the real aggressor is. Everything else including the OP is worthless rhetoric and spin.

 

Peddlers of worthless rhetoric and spin might examine Borat's contributions for tips.

 

Just another of the growing dim witted Army of KKK offspring co-opted by fat, blowhard flim/flammers like John Hagee....These new Christo-Zionists make up the base of the GOP "Southern Strategy"....I have noticed that in this years GOP primaries the main stream candidates all line up to shamelessly lick Israeli ass at every opportunity....Outside of Con. Paul, a bunch of ho's...

 

It is thus evident that you haven't read the OP.

 

Sickening, ain't it.

 

Survival is never unacceptable. It's not about the Green Line and never has been. That's taqiyya used to distract and dupe gullible useful idiots. It's always been about conquest to make Islam supreme, per the dictates of Islam.

Are you trying to claim that although the Islamic world is waging perpetually a covert global jihad against all non-Muslim unbelievers around the world, that they are somehow making an exception in this case for only the Jewish unbelievers in Israel, in that they would actually agree to a legitimate peace treaty with unbelievers instead of a Hudna that they would inevitably break to resume the jihad, per the dictates of Islam, at the first opportunity as always? Give me a break.

Indeed, the ink wasn't dry on the Oslo Peace Accords that Arafat signed, before Arafat was touting in various Mosques around the world that he had signed the Oslo Peace Accords in the spirit of Muhammad's Treaty of Hudaybiyyah, which ever since has served as the model for all treaties and truces with non-Muslim unbelievers.

I mean the entire history of Islam is nothing but the history of jihad conquest, harsh and degrading dhimmitude, violent oppression and systematic persecution of non-Muslims, countless genocides, cultural genocide, piracy, slavery, murder, rape, torture, and mayhem. Indeed, Islam is the most retrograde force on the planet.

Meanwhile, all Christians and other non-Muslim unbelievers living throughout the Islamic world today as less than second-class dhimmi citizens in those Islamic totalitarian hellholes are violently oppressed and systematically persecuted when not outright slaughtered altogether. What....are we supposed to not notice that? Indeed, there is no freedom throughout the Islamic world, only draconian totalitarianism. Are we not supposed to notice or are we suppose to ignore those glaring manifestation?

Indeed, mass Muslim immigration to the West has been happening ever since the end of the Yom Kippur War in 1973 thanks to the Euro-Arab Dialogue, when Europe agreed to accept millions of Muslim immigrants unconditionally and to throw Israel under the bus in exchange for OPEC ending its oil embargo. Since that time over 50 million Muslims have migrated to Europe. Point to just one European country anywhere where the vast majority of Muslim immigrants have successfully assimilated and integrated, instead of forming Muslim only enclaves that in time morphed into Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia as fifth columns and indirect contravention to the laws of the states in which they reside.

Indeed, just a few years ago, the government of France identified 758 Muslim no-go zones in France alone. As a matter fact, there are over a thousand Muslim no-go zones sprinkled throughout Europe today with each one acting as tiny independent Islamic statelets within a state. Hence, obviously Muslims are not immigrating to assimilate and integrate in order to become contributing and productive citizens. Indeed, all we have to do is look to see what happened last year in Cote D'Ivoire and look at what is happening in Nigeria today to see what the future of Europe portends.

Muslims don't immigrate to the West or anywhere else for that matter to assimilate and integrate, but instead to eventually subjugate and dominate via the eventual imposition of Sharia for the purpose of stealth demographic conquest to make Islam supreme.

Yet, to feed your unhinged obsession you want to single out Israel and only Israel as being the pariah of the world. Dude you got issues.

 

Half-truths and outright misinformation? Judging by some of the American's responses here that would appear to be the case!

 

Not the Arab world. Indeed, Christian Arabs don't want to wipe Israel off the map. I'm afraid it goes way beyond just the Arab world, as every Muslim on the planet wants to wipe Israel off the map, and beyond just Israel, they also want to subjugate all non-Muslim unbelievers via the imposition of Sharia to make Islam supreme, per the dictates of Islam.

Indeed, being Arab has nothing to do with anything, as it has everything to do with Islam. In fact, the Islamic world wants you to use the term Arab instead of Muslims, because it conveniently takes the unwanted focus off of Islam. As beyond only Israel, the Islamic world is waging a perpetual covert global jihad against all non-Muslim unbelievers in the world via hot and cold jihads of conquest like the one in Israel, which is one of many currently being pursued around the world, and via covert non-violent jihad, such as mass Muslim immigration to the West for the purpose of stealth demographic conquest to make Islam supreme.

Indeed, the jihad of conquest being waged perpetually against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel is just another theater of operations for the Islamic world in the covert global jihad, but they focus mainly on Israel to take the focus off of all the many others.