Israel a historical Aggressor, not only re Iran?

That post is "CLANG" empty.
And the reason is crystal clear, namely that you cherry-pick your viewpoint somewhere along the event's timeline and pretend that that is the whole and complete picture. We can all see what the cherry-pick is, Borat. It stands out like a pulsating beacon.

Your cherry-pick of course begs the very obvious question as to how Israel got into Sinai, Lebanon, Gaza, etc, in the first place - forget starting at the "giving back" point. And that has been proved over and over again. It got there by nothing less than offensive aggression. That is the point of this thread, and you have done ZIP to refute the OP or the Suez posts, as Goomba so logically pointed out. Instead you roll in the classic strawman of Israel's size!! A clear losing stance on all sides.

Go and refute the historical presentation and the conclusions drawn from these facts, instead of embarking on random waffle and fruit harvesting.

Thanks Goomba.

 

Then refute the OP. Show us WHY Syria was the aggressor when Dayan and a senior UN observer say otherwise, views which are supported by the Israeli Prime Minister at the time, Knesset members, other Sabra generals and archive researchers.

Show us WHY you disagree with all of them ... using facts, I mean, not waffle.

Israel not wanting to wipe the Arab countries off the map is irrelevant. What Israel REALLY wants in addition to the Green Line, is the West Bank, Gaza and southern Lebanon. Ben-Gurion is on record (documented by an Israeli participant) as spelling that out abundantly clearly at the Sevres collusion meetings in 1956, and he even added Sinai to the list. Israel wants ERETZ-YISRAEL!! That has been her ambition ever since 1897. And that is the reason for her aggression and her offensive wars. Simple. Clear. Obvious.

Do you dispute that? If so, then it seems that I need to repeat myself, refute the facts - address the OP and the Sinai 1956 post. Off you go. "There is nothing to refute" is just pure empty CLANG!!

 

Oh, stop misusing and abusing the Holocaust like a typical Zionist. There is nothing hostile against Semites with what you trying to fool gullible American Guilt Complex members with. You need to come up with a new stunt to defend Israeli crimes.

 

OYM. Does that mean that you have not seen Bibi on video admitting that “I halted the fulfilment of the Oslo Agreements”? Note, not Arafat, but Bibi. You didn’t see it? Here, let me help you:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-5hUG6Os68"]Netanyahu: This is how I broke the Oslo Accords with the Palestinians - YouTube[/ame]

Test: Where can you show that it was Bibi who scuppered 'Oslo' and not Arafat?
Hint: Scroll forward to 03:05

 

'Myopic and obsessed' is exactly how I would describe the content of your predictable, repetitive and ignorant posts.

 

Of course you won't read it. After all, why read anything at all that doesn't feed your obsession with attacking all things Muslim?

 

See, OYM, that is how one uses FACTS to get to the historical truth, not personal “say so” or subjective and uncorroborated claims. That is why you Zionist apologists lose all of these debates. Your only ammunition is personal “say so” or links to the “say so” of some other Zionist apologist, or switching the topic. Let us examine the latter.

As Snakestrecher pointed out, you cannot refute the facts, so you resort to “More ranting nonsense about 'global jihads' with zero substance”. When challenged, you come up with …. Facts? … no way!! You serve up something like this:

So let me show you some FACTS to refute your claim about me not knowing what a Strawman is:
Read the first line of your quote above. THAT, OYM, is what we call a classic strawman. It debunks NOTHING. It refutes NOTHING. It switches focus to something totally different, and then claims a victory. So your claims of victory are exceedingly hollow … pure “CLANG” … they are based on Hay and Chaff.

Let me give you another Strawman example in your very same post. When Goomba showed that you were not responding to the OP, you posted:

You bypassed any refutation of Israeli aggression in 1966/1967 and went on a rant about Jihads as your justification. OYM, allow me clear up some confusion that you have. That switch of topic and then claiming victory is what we call ‘Debating with the strawman’. Get it? You see, you didn't win any debate about the topic under discussion, yet you will carry forward with you fond memories of having "debunked 'Riff Raff'"

I hope that clears things up for you. So here comes a test. See if you can spot the Strawman in this post:

Did you spot the Strawman? Don't worry about the personal insults just focus on the "topic switch" ... the Strawman.

 

Why should I waste time debunking irrelevant propaganda and what is taqiyya that is meant to dupe and to distract gullible useful idiots from being able to connect the dots that would reveal that the jihad of conquest the Islamic world is waging against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel is but one tiny part of the much greater covert global jihad the Islamic world is waging against all non-Muslim unbelievers including you and me around the world to make Islam supreme?

The Christians in Lebanon have no choice. They sign whatever their Islamic masters put in front of them or otherwise their community will be relentlessly terrorized via violent jihad until they do. Unlike you, I don't ignore obvious realities.

The extremely gullible OP has been rendered into a completely obsessed Jew hater by Muslim taqiyya, and when he is debunked, as myself and many others on this site have previously done ad nauseum, he claims it is a straw man argument, obviously not knowing what a straw man argument is. Like other people that have been rendered into totally obsessed Jews haters, he wouldn't recognize the truth even if it jumped on his lap and humped him.

In any event, the taqiyya is irrelevant, since what is happening in Israel is not a land squabble, but a jihad of conquest and one of many jihads of conquest that altogether comprise the greater covert global jihad.

By the way, how can you ignore the fact that all Christians and all other non-Muslim unbelievers living in Islamic totalitarian hellholes throughout the Islamic world as less than second-class dhimmi citizens are violently oppressed and systematically persecuted when not outright slaughtered altogether? How can you ignore the non-freedom of religion in Islamic totalitarian hellholes? How can you ignore the fact that females living in Islamic totalitarian hellholes throughout the Islamic world are treated like property? How can you ignore all the draconian totalitarianism in the Islamic world? How can you ignore the fact that Muslims never ever migrate to the West or anywhere else for that matter to assimilate and integrate, but instead to eventually subjugate and dominate via the eventual imposition of Sharia for the purpose of stealth demographic conquest to make Islam supreme? How can you ignore the more than 1350 year history of jihad conquest, harsh and degrading dhimmitude, countless genocides, cultural genocide, slavery, harsh oppression and systematic persecution of non-Muslims, torture, the draconian punishments, plunder, murder, and mayhem? Why do you stupidly automatically assume that Muslims that are the products of a completely alien civilization from you think, act, and desire the same exact things as you?

 

No...it means that beyond being incredibly gullible and ignorant of Islam, that you are a completely obsessed Jew hater and Muslim apologist, even though the Muslims are not only waging a jihad against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel, but also against all non-Muslim unbelievers in the world including you and me.

It also means at the same time that you're unhinged obsession has made you incredibly myopic, because you apparently aren't aware of the fact that the Islamic world is totalitarian, that it violently oppresses and systematically persecutes all Christian and other non-Muslim unbelievers living in their draconian Islamic totalitarian hellholes, that it systematically persecutes all females, that draconian tortures are legal in all Muslim countries, that the freedom of religion is suppressed in all Muslim countries, that the most draconian and uncivilized forms of punishments, such as amputations, are normal and routine in all Islamic countries, that human rights are absent in all Muslim countries, that Muslims never ever migrate to the West or anywhere else for that matter to assimilate and integrate, but instead only to eventually subjugate and dominate via the eventual imposition of Sharia for the purpose of stealth demographic conquest to make Islam supreme.

In addition, you also apparently aren't aware of the almost 1400 year history of jihad conquest, the harsh and degrading dhimmitude, the countless genocides, the cultural genocides, the constant slave raids into Europe and Africa for slaves, the harsh and violent oppression and systematic persecution of non-Muslims, the most cruel and vile tortures, the draconian punishments, the plunder, the rapes, the murder, and the mayhem, and the estimated 270 million non-Muslim people that were killed by Muslims.

All you care about is Muslim taqiyya meant to dupe gullible useful idiots and inciting hatred and violence against Israel in order to foment another mass genocidal holocaust of Jews. Indeed, your are obsessed with it.

 

Yet you are still here.

Ah, so you have clearly changed the goalposts. Regardless, if what you say is true, then how do you explain the fact that those Christians not allied with Hezbollah are instead allied with anti-Hezbollah/anti-Iran/anti-Syria groups (or are simply neutral)? Indeed, these aforementioned groups include past right-wing Christian militias (such as the Lebanese Forces).

Yet you are ignoring reality. Indeed, if what you say about Muslims 'terrorizing' the Christian population of Lebanon is true, that how do you explain the fact that some months ago a shoe store (owned by a Shiite) was forced to shut down due to some Christians feeling offended by sandals with the cross on them;1 or how would you explain the fact that after Christian protest, a number of Shiite television stations (one of those being Al-Manar, Hezbollah's media wing) pulled a series about Jesus from its programming?2

1http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Local-News/2011/Sep-03/147792-halloween-flip-flops-ignite-controversy-in-furn-al-shubbak.ashx#axzz1lVCdE6ke
2http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article101865.ece

This is not a refutation of the OP but a blatant personal insult (which will be reported). Instead of posting things that are completely irrelevant to the OP, why not invest your energy in actually refuting his points (which, according to you, have done numerous times).

 

So you deny the jihads of conquest being waged perpetually against the Hindu unbelievers in Kashmir, Jammu, and India, the Buddhist unbelievers in Thailand, the Christian unbelievers in the Philippines, the atheist and Orthodox Christian unbelievers in Chechnya and Russia, the animist and Christian unbelievers in Cote D'Ivoire, Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan, Ethiopia, and Kenya, the Jewish unbelievers in Israel, the Orthodox Christian Serb unbelievers in Bosnia and Kosovo, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum? Including the covert non-violent jihad being waged against the West via mass Muslim immigration for the purpose of stealth demographic conquest to make Islam supreme? Do you deny the over a thousand Muslim no-go zones sprinkled throughout Europe ruled by Sharia as fifth columns and acting like tiny Islamic statelets within states exist? Indeed, just how myopic and delusional are you?

 

Why would I read that garbage? Those Christians living in Lebanon aren't free. They either sign whatever is put in front of them or otherwise their communities will suffer relentless violent jihad attacks until they do. Indeed, what you want me to do, pretend that they are free like you and me? Give me a break! Do you think that over half of Lebanon's Christians population have fled Lebanon in recent years for nothing? How gullible do you want me to be? As gullible, myopic, and ignorant as you?

 

Your images also do not refute anything in the OP.

 

I rest my case, everything boils down to a straw man argument with that obsessed Jew hater!

 

This is hilarious.

 

It is, is it not?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrCT-5Gxqs0"]" ALLAHU AKBAR " even to the terrorist.( A lesson for all terrorist - YouTube[/ame]

 

I'm confused how any of this proves that Israel isn't an aggressor. The continuous denial to even confront a single argument in the OP clearly supports klipklap's argument. Nonetheless, religious extremism is a problem.

 

Approximately 60 percent of Lebanese Christians have been forced to flee Lebanon in recent years, while at the same time the Muslim population has steadily increased to the point that the Islamic conquest of Lebanon will be complete in just a few more years. You continue to ignore obvious realities, including many more obvious realities endemic in many other Islamic countries or otherwise in other countries that are also undergoing the process of stealth demographic conquest. Why? To feed your unhinged obsession with hating Jews like Riff Raff.

Report away. It is irrefutable that Riff Raff is an unhinged obsessed Jew hater. I and many others have refuted Riff Raff ad nauseum on many occasions. It doesn't matter he keeps posting the same garbage over and over to feed his unhinged obsession with hating Jews no matter what. Hence, why should I or anyone else give ourselves brain damage doing it again?

Not only that but all of what he posts is irrelevant in any event even if it were true. As what is occurring in Israel isn't a land squabble, but a jihad of conquest that is a part of the much greater covert global jihad against all non-Muslim unbelievers including you and me. I got better things to do than to debunk completely irrelevant Muslim taqiyya meant to dupe gullible useful idiots.

 

Not in recent years... they left in the 1970s and 1980s...... There are still American and Lebanese Christians at ACS and AUB.

 

See if you can spot the Strawman:

We are getting quite practised at the Strawman-spotting game, aren't we? So lucky that we have such a stream of good examples. In a few week's or month's time the Strawman addict will claim a string of debating victories. Just give him/her time.

 

See if you can spot the Strawman ... you know ... the abrupt topic switch to avoid addressing the refuted issue.

Yeah ... I know ... that one was just too obvious. Well, we say so, but OYM does not believe himself to be guilty of any Strawman debates. He says I don't know what a Strawman is. I would really like to see the topic of this thread addressed instead of these fantasies.

 

Excuse me, but Israel is just one jihad of many jihads being waged simultaneously against non-Muslim unbelievers for conquest by the Islamic world that altogether collectively comprise the covert global jihad. Indeed, why should we obsessively focus only on the jihad being waged against Jewish unbelievers, while at the same time we ignore the many other jihads being waged simultaneously against Hindu unbelievers, Sikh unbelievers, Ahmadi unbelievers, Buddhist unbelievers, Christian unbelievers, atheist unbelievers, agnostic unbelievers, Orthodox Christian unbelievers, animist unbelievers, etc., etc., etc.? Because Jews are easy targets and very convenient victims for distracting attention away from the covert global jihad?

I hate to rain on your ignorant parade, but Islam is not a religion. Instead, it is a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology that masquerades as being a religion to dupe the gullible societies it targets for demographic conquest and subjugation into a very draconian form of Islamic totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia to make Islam supreme.

Indeed, Islam, in stark contrast to true faith-based religions, requires first and foremost that all Muslims submit totally, completely, and unconditionally to the will of Allah where the freedom of conscience is forbidden and where blasphemy and apostasy are capital offenses. As a matter of fact, the word Islam in Arabic means “submission” and the word Muslim in Arabic means “one who submits.”

Hence, what faith-based religions similarly forbid the freedom of conscience and likewise punish blasphemy and apostasy under the pain of death? The answer obviously is none of them, proving irrefutably that Islam is not a faith-based religion.

Therefore, since Islam irrefutably is not a faith-based religion, then it isn't protected under the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, and since it isn't protected under the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, it then must be outlawed and mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage must be banned and reversed ASAP.

 

You go on and on. It is a sure sign that you have nothing to say.

 

It is good to see that you've completely abandoned your argument concerning Christian-Muslim alliances. With regards to the above, are you not aware of the economic situation of Lebanon; are you not aware of the political and regional stability concerning Lebanon? Furthermore, are you not aware that vast numbers of Lebanese Muslims have also emigrated from the country? Indeed, why not provide us with the necessary evidence that shows that not only 'approximately' 60 percent of Christians have left Lebanon in 'recent years,' but also the extent as to which Islamic 'extremism' has played its role in Christian emigration .

Excellent, so it won't be that difficult for you to do so here.