Israel demolishes West Bank homes, displacing 36 Palestinians

What would I like to happen in general or to the Poster to whom I responded?

1. Re: the Poster to whom I responded, I would simply hope for him, her or anyone forming opinions on the current Mid East conflicts; to become better informed via more balanced, varied & accurate news & history sources. Ideally, I would hope that they have the same opportunities to see the other side as did I: meet & enjoy to hospitalities of the citizens of Iran, & others in the Islamic world.

I had the benefit of being in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon etc when things were relatively tranquil until the '73 War where I ended up working as a medic in a Refugee camp that was predominately but not exclusively Palestinian in N. Syria-S. Lebanon. (I had some basic medical training in the US Army) Since Syria & Iraq etc are currently in chaos, such an opportunity is not possible now & I imagine most of my generous hosts who spent days showing me obscure archeological sites, introducing me to their friends etc are dead

2. In General, I hope I've made my views clear: I think that the only hope for long term regional stability in the Mid East is an even-handed Foreign policy. As long as my country continues to reward the Israeli government for U.N. Resolution violations, Geneva convention abrogations, Ethnic Cleansing, use of banned Genotoxic, Chemical ordinance and the other practices I mentioned in the O.T. while sanctioning Islamic countries for the same, there will be chaos, increased terror & Israel will eventually collapse.

Certainly it will maintain its collection of nuclear armed subs to terrorize the planet but you & yours will face even greater danger. Believe it or not, that thought brings me absolutely no pleasure at all.

 

Your post was nothing more than a repuking of the same anti-Israel propaganda we have already heard over and over again. What kind of response did you expect?

The innocent families who want to live in peace are in a tough spot. How can they stop terrorists from launching attacks from populated areas and hiding among them? If they try, they get murdered by the terrorists. If they don't, they become a target for IDF.

Any actions by Israel are in response to attacks.

 

For all your redundant name calling & distorted, puerile vitriol you have not refuted a single fact that I have stated.

The only attempts of apologists for Israel's Ethnic Cleansing agenda has been distress that the genocidal Zionist State is not exterminating non-Jewish civilians commensurate with the Palestinian birth rate & quickly enough for their genocidal craving

You seem to have evaded, ignored or be ignorant of the Israeli experimental, genotoxic (D.I.M.E. bombs) ordinance use I mentioned earlier which addresses the agony you feel at these non Jews having children.

I'm sure you'll be delighted to learn the "Mengele-esque" effects of Israel's experimental, genotoxic N.D.U., D.U.. D.I.M.E. bombs etc. which have been effectively used to assuage your anguish:


“The DIME Bomb: Yet another genotoxic weapon, Part III”
https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=5748

EXCERPT “ Since early July, Israeli forces have been using a new weapon in the Gaza Strip that inflicts strange and deadly wounds....
.......DU & NDU bombs are converted to micron-sized particles that sicken and kill and murder the next generation in the womb.”CONTINUED


So, you can rest assured now that the clever Israeli scientists about which you constantly bray have long since developed sterilizing methods whose results are already well known in the among informed individuals & the Levantine medical community.

Rejoice in the knowledge that even more Palestinian children will certainly die at or just before birth, suffer lethal deformities, brain damage and may live long enough to be dismembered, burned and or gassed alive in any one of Israel's mass slaughters so essential for your "Greater Israel" Expansionism.

 

Almost half of all Israeli Jews are in favor of transferring or expelling the state’s Arab population, a major U.S. survey of Israeli public opinion has found.

That staggering statistic comes from the Pew Research Center’s report on Israel’s religiously divided society, released on March 8.

The Israelis polled were not responding to an Israeli government policy proposal, but rather the broad concept of transfer and expulsion. Forty-eight percent of Israeli Jews strongly agree or agree with the idea while 46% strongly disagree or disagree.

Read more: http://forward.com/news/israel/3352...r-of-arabs-new-pew-survey-says/#ixzz42Lj79Von

 

I meant for your ideal situation in the ME,

You had your expirence and you should respect other posters that also have had their own expirence or you are no diffrent than those you mock, from my part I also witnessed some events from the other side you mentioned, but I always read and digest other views in fact the reason I entered this forum some years ago was to talk to a Palestinian, and excuse me but I find it a bit ironic you denounce ppl for not expanding their views when you so very deeply anti Israeli to the point there are no "OK" Israelis unless they spit and curse every day they are alive...., I know most ppl in Iran are normal ppl as me but I accept their hatred and fear as long as I live in mu country, I dont think they are demons for that I think they are wrong, and I will fight if I need any enemy but I wont think he is less of a Human than me, why the need to do that to us ? never understood that....

Anyway back on topic, your gov doesnt reward Israel, it deals with it as it does with any other country, the sec Israel stops to be of any intrest to your country not even the best Jewish violinst will persuide it to spend a single $ more than on any failed country out there, but I understand you want to boycott it till it "surrenders" - then what? what would you expect it do to make the ME peacful ?

 

If any particular statement I made & supported were "propaganda" you could have attempted to refute that particular statement of fact.

I spent over 10 - 11 months walking, hitch-hiking & traveling via camel back, donkey cart, 3rd Class public bus etc etc by myself throughout the Mid East including Iran. Eventually, I ended up working as a medic in a predominately Palestinian Refugee camp during the '73 War.
Today, I maintain contact with close friends in the Region who are either in the Diplomatic Corps, US Military Intelligence and/or U.S. Liaison officers working with the Iranian military with whom they are on excellent terms

How about you?

You act as if Levantine history began in the 1940s

Look at a map of Palestine in 1947 & try to imagine: "The innocent families who want to live in peace ......" but have had their homes destroyed, families massacred & lost everything only to be herded into a Concentration Camp / Open Air Shooting Gallery in which they are guinea pigs for IDF experimental weapons programs:


“The Israeli Lab and the Palestinian Guinea Pigs”

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/the-israeli-lab-and-the-palestinian-guinea-pigs.html

EXCERPT “"The Lab" makes it evidently clear that the Palestinian civilian population in the West Bank and Gaza have become test subjects for Israeli tactics, weaponry and fighting philosophy (‘Fighting Torah’, Torat Lechima - as the Israelis call it). The destruction of the Palestinians has now been transformed into a very profitable industry. We are dealing here with nothing short of highly calculated murder.

Gaza is now a vast Laboratory - the Israelis are the ‘scientists’ and the ‘technicians’, the Palestinians are the ‘guinea pigs’. Watching "The Lab" must lead all of us to fundamentally question our notions. We are dealing with a premeditated war crime.CONTINUED


“The Lab”
http://www.gumfilms.com/projects/lab
“An investigative documentary revealing how the Israeli military occupation in Palestine has become a business rather than a burden.”
The film reveals The Lab, which has transformed the Israeli military occupation of Gaza and the West Bank from a burden to a marketable, highly profitable, national asset."CONTINUED

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What do you really know about these "Raining Hamas Rockets"?

As of 2012,TWENTY SIX Israelis had been killed by ALL Rockets fired EVER.

“Dissecting IDF propaganda: The numbers behind the rocket attacks”
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/dissecting-idf-propaganda-the-numbers-behind-the-rocket-attacks.html

source Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC).

EXCERPTS “To begin, Israeli spokespeople frequently remind the world that a million Israeli citizens are within range of Gaza rockets, twelve thousand of which have been fired into Israel in the last twelve years, inflicting thousands of injuries and several dead.
However, we are rarely told exactly how many people have been killed by these rocket attacks.”
Throughout the years of rocket attacks into Israel, a total of 26 people have been killed altogether.” CONTINUED


That is the excuse that the current Israeli government uses in its attempt to Ethnically Cleanse Gaza & the West Bank.


"But what about the Palestinian birth rate?" Israel's State run, Multi-Million dollar network of trained & scripted Hasbara Propagandists are trained to respond.

Don't worry; no Ethnic Cleansing would be complete without its sterilization component:

“The DIME Bomb: Yet another genotoxic weapon, Part III”
https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=5748
EXCERPT “ Since early July, Israeli forces have been using a new weapon in the Gaza Strip that inflicts strange and deadly wounds....
.......DU & NDU bombs are converted to micron-sized particles that sicken and kill and murder the next generation in the womb.”CONTINUED

I would be happy for future exchanges to be more civil but just because individuals oppose a well documented Ethnic Cleansing program does not make them "propagandists"

Please research Israel's Hasbara network, Hasbara Handbook, Hasbra Fellowships, Hasbara Scholarships, "The Global Language Dictionary; 2009" if you want to see real Propaganda"


Thanks

 

How come no one is asking why the baby was left alone to freeze? Are we expected to believe that the parents said "Our home is being demolished. Lets leave the baby behind!" "Run!"

There is something about this story that is not right.

Of the two sides, Israel is the only one trying to avoid civilian casualties. I wouldn't be surprised if the cause of death had nothing to do with the structures being demolished.

 

There is a name to that period of "calm"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Intifada

Silent not because it was peacful but because it wasnt directed by Hamas or PLO per se, on Sep 2014 the Israeli Arabs also started to riot after police shoot one of them in the back after he charged them with a knife, so the Arabs took it out on passing by Israelis, so yea if you ask me following such events and throu the Knife Intifada - will make ppl question the whole co-existance idea.

Today alone 3 terror attacks, 3 dead and about 7 wounded, but 2 terrorists are dead so that makes about even right ?

 

No, because as I have told you before I do not condone terrorism and believe this latest campaign in particular is counterproductive.

 

Ah you see I witnessed that very recently, in order to be "good" Im supposed to oppose any hostile acts on those that shot rockets at me, forcing me to grab my 10 and 7 year old kids in middle of the night and run down the stars to the bomb shelters and sit there with ppl I did my best to avoid for the whole time I lived in this appartment ? 3 -4 times a day for 2 months ? I dont think so, you disrespect my self dignity as a Human being to oppose bowing down to terror.

 

The Arabs are in favor of expelling all jews from all of historical Palestine and have adopted this as official policy in both the PA and Hamas charters.

 

Let pew no would you please?

 

""Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know
the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography
books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are
not there either.....
There is not a single place built in this country that
did not have a former Arab population." -- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The
Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.



Did anyone force you to occupy what used to be some one else's land, / Occupied Territory / live in an illegally constructed "Settlement", destroy your home in the coldest season of the year because you couldn't get an unobtainable "permit" or live around disgusting people ("ppl I did my best to avoid for the whole time I lived in this appartment")?



Count your blessings. Your kids are alive & healthy, no one has destroyed your home, bomb shelters & your stairs "stars" (sic) were there at the end of the day & you & your "dignity" get $ Trillions in US Aid.

I don't know whether you or your parents or grandparents chose to move to an already inhabited Land but someone else lived on it before you and they probably didn't leave well compensated & of their own free will.

There's no such thing as "Free Land"

Move back to Brooklyn but you'll have to fork over some cash this time & pay your own way if you expect to earn any respect.

 

I was born here so I dont have any place to move "back" to, so was my father, my grandpa came here before the Great war and there were many Jewish cities and towns back then so he didnt steal or grab anything either.

I didnt ask for your respect Grau I stated you deny me that while you asked for "open minds" and a balanced view - while you deny that of others so once again you are not any better that those you denounce.

The fair perspective our founders had on the local Palestinian Arabs is constantly used against us when ppl like you qoute them, to be fair and to try to co-exist with certain Arabs always blew up in our faces which is why the Left wing is nearly gone in Israel, nearly nothing is left from Rabin legacy which is a shame IMO, but ppl like you prove that there can and should be no co-existance so from my part I have no objective to the Right wing approach - wherever that will lead, if your lot are the hands we are suppose to shake for peace, bring out the guns I say....

 

I doubt they want to know such things. Otherwise the would have asked the arabs in the survey.

 

I apologize for that post & should learn more or as much about your background in Israel as you are comfortable posting in an open forum before I make flippant generalizations.

You'll note that it was about 4AM here, I've been tending to my sick dog (heart trouble) as well as a noisy stray dog I've taken in, treating its wounds & trying to place in a good home.

You're not missing a very friendly, spotted Setter, are you?

I've lived in large, Inner-City neighborhoods that were probably more dangerous than the one you described. There were no alarms sounded before an armed gang of thugs kicked in your door (or your neighbor's) at 3AM after cutting your phone lines, ambushed you at work or attempted to jump you if you were walking to the store. Without a very effective, "multi-lingual", .45acp 1911A1 pistol, I probably wouldn't be typing this today.

I found myself thinking "unkind" thoughts about these individuals to whom I'd done nothing except help their parents & children find employment & education.

Just because I've collected an extensive "Gallery of Maladies" wounds, injuries etc including cancer and can no longer travel the world doesn't mean I'm not interested in learning about the lives &background experiences of others far away.

At the moment, other duties call.....

Thanks

 

I am not surprised that facts seem so elusive to you.

Fact: You display a shocking lack of knowledge of the history of the conflict.
Fact: The comparison of "master race" vs "chosen people" is fallacious and demonstrates an even more extensive lack of knowledge.
Fact: It is an idiotic and hyperbolic misrepresentation of ethnic genocide when the population of the target ethnicity has increased 10 times within 3 generations.
Fact: Genotoxin bombs are yet another piece of truly stupid propaganda from the electronic intifada boys. Right up there with warp engines and photon torpedoes

That you suck up such utter impossible garbage as truth and regurgitate it in demagogic fashion is to be expected I suppose.
The only plus side is that it succinctly demonstrates to one and all how intellectually pathetic some haters can be.

 

Agreed. Isnt it ironic in that the ONLY ethnic cleansing that has occurred is of the Jews from the Gaza strip.

 

PHONY "FACTS"

This particular post justifies no other response than to point out that the Poster is unable to distinguish unsupported claimed "Facts" with his/her usual personal slurs.

Facts are verifiable.

1. "Jonsa states: "Fact: You display a shocking lack of knowledge of the history of the conflict."

That is his unsupported opinion.

2. While the true meaning of "Chosen People" may be vague & open to interpretation, Israeli leaders have used the term "Master Race" in reference to themselves in an offensive manner:


"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best.
Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races.
Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."
- Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982


3. What "Jonsa" claims to be fact is simply another unsupported & irrelevant statement. The Ethnic Cleansing agenda of the Israeli government has been clearly supported in the O.P. via its widespread use of banned, experimental chemical ordinance. N.D.U., D.U., D.I.M.E. bombs, genotoxic weapons that are widely known to cause birth deaths/infant mortality about which PM Netanyahu complains as Israel's "...demographic problem...":

For Example:

“The DIME Bomb: Yet another genotoxic weapon, Part III”
https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=5748
EXCERPT “ Since early July, Israeli forces have been using a new weapon in the Gaza Strip that inflicts strange and deadly wounds....
.......DU & NDU bombs are converted to micron-sized particles that sicken and kill and murder the next generation in the womb.”CONTINUED





"A little bit about the DIME weapons Israel is using on Gaza"
GENOTOXIC, CARCINOGENIC WEAPON OF DESTRUCTION
https://cintayati.wordpress.com/2014...using-on-gaza/
EXCERPT "How does “micro-shrapnel” work? Israel’s new weapon “slices” off its victims’ legs, leaving “signs of heat and burns near the point of the amputation”. It’s “as if a saw was used to cut through the bone”, according to Dr. Habas al-Wahid, head of the ER at Gaza’s Shuhada al-Aqsa hospital

Scientific studies have found that HMTA is chemically toxic, damages the immune system, rapidly causes cancer, and attacks DNA (genotoxic).[6-13] It is unfortunate that the US media have virtually blacked out the story of Israel’s new weapon"CONTINUED






“Israel using banned weapons in Gaza: Medical sources”
http://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/356451--israel-using-banned-weapons-in-gaza-medical-sources
EXCERPT “Eyewitnesses, meanwhile, have reported that Israeli airstrikes had incinerated the bodies of Palestinians who happened to be near targeted sites.
Israeli warplanes, they added, were using missiles that destroy their victims' bodies, often cutting them to pieces.
Some activists posted photos of victims online, advising the fainthearted not to look at them.
Photos showed Palestinians whose limbs had been blown off and others whose bodies looked as if they had been subject to chemical attack.
Palestinian doctors say the Israeli airstrikes had incinerated the bodies of a large number of Palestinians, while a number of others had lost limbs.
They added that the conditions of victims admitted to hospital revealed that Israel was using internationally-proscribed weapons in its current war on the embattled Gaza Strip.”CONTINUED





In spite of the supported facts above in addition to those stated in the O.P., "Jonsa" states:

" Genotoxin bombs are yet another piece of truly stupid propaganda from the electronic intifada boys. Right up there with warp engines and photon torpedoes"

The reader may judge for himself / herself the degree to which the anonymous "Jonsa" holds a level of expertise that exceeds those of the authors of the documents included in this post.



Thanks

 

I can tell you what I know, mind you Im not trying to "convert" you or or gain your support but some things I know to be false - must be corrected just as you wouldnt stand lies you know as fact.

"Chosen ppl" is from the Bible and there is nothing vague & open to interpretation about that, the reason is written on same line the words "chosen" are so to say its "unclear" - is lying, not saying you are a liar because I dont think you were aware of that but I would expect much better from a man that arrgues he uses REAL reliable resources about the TRUTH and urges others to do the same.

In case yoy were wondering, "chosen" was mentioned because the Israelites witnessted God's power when he delivered them from Egypt and were the first to recive and obey his laws, their mission is to spread his word in the world, do that and enjoy full rank in the "chosen" department.

Its not the first time I heard it in this forum, Im sure you wont belive me biut such words over the Knesset and from a Jewish PM would cause such turmoil that if were true there would be a record on that much more that one book from one French reporter.
The "qoute" is a lie, a compleate lie not just misinterpatation, first of all the alleged qoute of Amnon Kapeliouk is a lie and the qoute od Amnon Kapeliouk by itself is a misinterptation of Begin:

http://begincenterdiary.blogspot.co.il/2009/05/correcting-misquotation-reputedly-by.html

Why lie ? ppl that are willing to sacrifice their kids on a war they cannot win throu force - are also very capable of lying.

Who decides if such weapons were used? the Palestinians ? that's not a reliable source they are a side in the war, got any indipendant source for these claims ?

 

I was wondering the same thing some days ago when a poster here claimed Jews want to transfer the Arabs away, "Never" was what jumped to mind but wait....didnt we already transfer 10,000's from Gaza strip ? if we one day transfer more from the WB, how wrong will it be to transfer Arabs from Israel ? either both stay or both may be forced to move....

 

A fabrication by Amnon Kapeliouk

 

It would be unsupported if you hadn't displayed such a shocking lack of knowledge in your comments. I suppose it could simply be a case of cause not being a consideration in assessing effect as opposed to not having a clue wrt to those causes, but the result is essentially the same.

Boy you sure like lapping up the vomit from racist ********s.

http://begincenterdiary.blogspot.ca/2009/05/correcting-misquotation-reputedly-by.html

I guess your extensive knowledge of the conflict doesn't include the massive number of false quotes that Electronic Intifada et.al. have been pumping out for decades.

http://begincenterdiary.blogspot.ca/2009/05/correcting-misquotation-reputedly-by.html

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=8359.5%253Bwap2

Not a shred of evidence to support these accusations of exotic illegal weapons being used by the Israelis. The closest thing to it is the use of WP, which was used as designated by the conventions.

yet another example of your inablity to discern facts from fiction. Apparently you believe everything you read on the internet when the subject is in line with your own bigotry.

Genotoxic bombs designed to kill palestinians and not Israelis is an impossibility. But feel free to believe that these kinds of bombs exist, let alone that Israel is using them.

As to my level of expertise, considering you have offered up a skewed version of history, a completely phony quote, and a couple of accusations of use of impossible weapons of mass destruction, its rather obvious my level exceeds yours by a considerable margin.

As to the "experts" you reference in those "documents", I'd venture to say that any randomly selected earthworm would be considerably more informed and competent. But I do understand how you can be so comfortable with the nonsense they spew.



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that's not at all true, but I get your point.

 

Does Israel seem concerned about a global popularity contest? And who cares about Palestine?