Israel forced to apologise over offensive Hiroshima comments

But you're taking a chance in treating him decently. He'll consume resources that might make the difference in the war effort. You're taking a chance in letting him live. He might escape and do some amount of damage.

There's something wrong with starving, beating, using as slaves? Even when it helps the war effort? You might need that help. You can't take chances. Survival and success trump everything, you said.

Don't mean to give you a hard time, but your conservative instincts badly need a bit of moderating thought. Where you are right now, just a whiff of propaganda could have you going right along with the starving/beating/slaving program. That's just what happened, in a leading civilized Western nation, before and during WWII....

 

They were sympathizers because they didn't want the British empire threatened with a war, and that is what happened after the war, Britain lost its world power status.

 

Sigh... Survival and succes WAS achieve by putting the japanese and italians in camp.
History prove my point. You are dealing in suppositions.

 

No one does anything this consequential, this expensive, this deadly, this ground breaking and historically significant with only one purpose in mind.

 

It is no supposition what was done in Germany. Guys who did it gave reasons like I gave.

Would you argue with them? How?

 

Doubt it as the victims of the Holocaust did not declare war with the western world at the very moment they attacked.

In fact, they didn't attack anybody rahter, they were herded like cattle and executed after living worse than cattle for various periods of time and denied the basics of life.

 

You can't just count the amount of dead, you have to factor in those who were sickened, or born abnormal. This was our Dark Moment, when we acted no differently from those we claimed were war criminals and could only do so because we were victorious.

 

It was because he decided to marry a divorced woman rather than be King. Then Royalty could not marry divorcees, it was the same later for Princess Margret but she chose Duty, Edward did not.
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The Jewish civilians, too?

 

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Poland did not surrender and fought, using their meagre armed forces, until defeated. Of all the nations invaded by Hitler Poland was the only one never to formally surrender. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland#Misconceptions

 

They had also been fighting with absolutely every one else for ever but they had begun to mobilize against Germany.

 

Naturally, as Germany had been making aggressive and threatening moves against Poland since March of 1939. What did you expect Poland to do, wave a white flag and invite the Nazis in? Remember that the Russians also invaded Poland in September 1939, with no formal declaration of war.

 

Troops surrendered on the battlefield when their destruction was imminent and they had no escape. No dishonor in that. But in hindsight, one can say that they should have been in no-surrender, take-every-German-with-you-you-can mode. The way the Japanese fought on Iwo Jima, in other words. Which in their case, in hindsight, was not reasonable.

 

Well yeah. Why would the religion of the civilians matter?

Again, both sides killed plenty of civilians. This has been true not only for WW2 but for almost every war ever fought.

In some cases, it was safer to be a soldier than a civilian.

 

Sigh..again...

I'm not talking about germany, but Canada.
History proves us right.

 

Is it only a religion ? or an ethnicity ? or changeable ?

reminds me of the venerable shell-game of Jewish identity: "Look! We’re a religion! No! a race! No! a cultural entity! No a people , Sorry–a religion!" When they tire of this game, we get suckered into another: "anti-Zionism is antisemitism! " quickly alternates with: "Don’t confuse Zionism with Judaism! How dare you, you antisemite!"

I agree. (wink)


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You have not provided a single valid rebuttal to any of the copious amounts of facts and evidence which I have painstakingly collected and presented. In reality it is not for you as it has been shown that no amount of facts or evidence will change your mind but rather for people who might be gullible enough to fall for the holocaust denial propaganda and need a point of reference for the truth.

Well if the rules on this forum were actually enforced your constant spamming of debunked holocaust denial claims would not be allowed under rule number 10.

The war was started by Hitler in his quest for racial supremacism over the Untermensch of the world to be enslaved under Aryan rule and the extermination of the Lebensunwertes Leben (Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Slavs, etc) under Generalplan Ost to clear the path for Aryan Lebensraum. Hitler's war was one of territorial conquest, ethnic cleansing, and genocide.

Therefore we National Socialists have purposely drawn a line through the line of conduct followed by pre-War Germany in foreign policy. We put an end to the perpetual Germanic march towards the South and West of Europe and turn our eyes towards the lands of the East. We finally put a stop to the colonial and trade policy of pre-War times and pass over to the territorial policy of the future.

But when we speak of new territory in Europe to-day we must principally think of Russia and the border States subject to her.

This colossal Empire in the East is ripe for dissolution. And the end of the Jewish domination in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a State. We are chosen by Destiny to be the witnesses of a catastrophe which will afford the strongest confirmation of the nationalist theory of race.

But it is our task, and it is the mission of the National Socialist Movement, to develop in our people that political mentality which will enable them to realize that the aim which they must set to themselves for the fulfilment of their future must not be some wildly enthusiasti


http://greatwar.nl/books/meinkampf/meinkampf.pdf

And yes citzens of the allied nations can look back at WW2 with pride in the knowledge that our forebearers fought and died to stop Hitlers ethnic cleansing and genocide in Europa in line with the blood and soil doctrine of Germanization under Generalplan Ost and Hitler's "New Order".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism)

Yes I care which is why I am not a Hitler apologist.

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Total abject nonsense, all but one of the gas chambers was under ground, the aerial photographs no such thing:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar48.html

 

Tell us in what context was this quote taken out of that makes it not a call for aggressive military conquest in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union:



Therefore we National Socialists have purposely drawn a line through the line of conduct followed by pre-War Germany in foreign policy. We put an end to the perpetual Germanic march towards the South and West of Europe and turn our eyes towards the lands of the East. We finally put a stop to the colonial and trade policy of pre-War times and pass over to the territorial policy of the future.

But when we speak of new territory in Europe to-day we must principally think of Russia and the border States subject to her.

This colossal Empire in the East is ripe for dissolution. And the end of the Jewish domination in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a State. We are chosen by Destiny to be the witnesses of a catastrophe which will afford the strongest confirmation of the nationalist theory of race.

But it is our task, and it is the mission of the National Socialist Movement, to develop in our people that political mentality which will enable them to realize that the aim which they must set to themselves for the fulfilment of their future must not be some wildly enthusiasti


http://greatwar.nl/books/meinkampf/meinkampf.pdf

Your article fails to mention that Germany completely violated the Munich Agreement through not only the invasion of Poland but through the total invasion of Czechoslavakia rather than just the Sudetenland as stipulated in the Munich Accords:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement#Invasion_of_the_remainder_of_Czechoslovakia

Your article, also, goes into great detail about how it was really the Jews who started the war rather than the historical reality of Hitler violating the Munich agreement by invading the entirety of Czechoslovakia and Poland and therefor is reduced to nothing more than Hitler's anti-Semitic propaganda,

You have completely failed to explain the quote which I have provided from Mein Kampf where Hitler called for the aggressive military conquest of Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union, other than to claim it is "out of context," so allegorical fact I have once again in the above provided the full text from Mein Kampf and the relevant quation put it in this supposed context of yours that would make it anything but what it is IE the call for aggressive territorial exampsion through military conquest of Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union!

You have not answered it even once and the only one spamming here is you as you continue to regurgitate long debunked assertions in direct violation to rule number 10 which apparently does not apply to overt anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

We've looked and all we see there is Nazi propaganda long debunked.

 

The subcommittee report

In its report, the subcommittee acknowledged some facts, such as the mock trials, the use of hoods or containment. On the other hand, its findings did not support the most serious charges, like the beatings, torture, the fake hangings and the starvation of the defendants. In addition, the subcommittee considered that commutations of sentences pronounced by General Clay had occurred because of U.S. Army recognition that the investigations had not always been properly carried out or that procedural irregularities could have occurred during the trial.

On the other hand, the commission did not take a position on the culpability of the condemned. On the contrary, it endorsed the conclusions General Clay issued in the particular case of Lieutenant Christ. In summary, Clay had written that “he was personally convinced of the culpability of Christ and, that for this reason his death sentence was fully justified. But, to apply this sentence would be equivalent accepting a bad administration of justice, which led him, not without reserve, to commute the death penalty to life imprisonment”.[18]

The report of the subcommittee was strongly influenced by testimony of the CIA presented in secret hearings arranged with the help of the Army's Counter Intelligence Corps as reported in the Oral History of Col. Justice M. Chambers, the subcommittee's chief investigator. ."[19]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre_trial#Review_procedure

Abject nonsense, itler's blood and soil ideology required the Germanization and ethnic cleansing of the East in order to acquire Lebensraum, this policy was carried out under Generalplan Ost in line with Hitler's "New Order";

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism)

Furthermore Hitler made clear that he always intended to invade Russia and Eastern Europe as early as the authorship of Mein Kampf in 1926:

Therefore we National Socialists have purposely drawn a line through the line of conduct followed by pre-War Germany in foreign policy. We put an end to the perpetual Germanic march towards the South and West of Europe and turn our eyes towards the lands of the East. We finally put a stop to the colonial and trade policy of pre-War times and pass over to the territorial policy of the future.

But when we speak of new territory in Europe to-day we must principally think of Russia and the border States subject to her.

This colossal Empire in the East is ripe for dissolution. And the end of the Jewish domination in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a State. We are chosen by Destiny to be the witnesses of a catastrophe which will afford the strongest confirmation of the nationalist theory of race.

But it is our task, and it is the mission of the National Socialist Movement, to develop in our people that political mentality which will enable them to realize that the aim which they must set to themselves for the fulfilment of their future must not be some wildly enthusiasti

http://greatwar.nl/books/meinkampf/meinkampf.pdf

 

Abject nonsense, the secret protoocol of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact proves conclusively that the Riech entered not into a non-aggression pact with the Soviets but into a military alliance which culminated in the joint military invasion of Poland and the start of WW2:

More abject nonsense, Hitler's blood and soil ideology required the Germanization and ethnic cleansing of the East in order to acquire Lebensraum, this policy was carried out under Generalplan Ost in line with Hitler's "New Order";

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism)

Furthermore Hitler made clear that he always intended to invade Russia and Eastern Europe as early as the authorship of Mein Kampf in 1926:

Therefore we National Socialists have purposely drawn a line through the line of conduct followed by pre-War Germany in foreign policy. We put an end to the perpetual Germanic march towards the South and West of Europe and turn our eyes towards the lands of the East. We finally put a stop to the colonial and trade policy of pre-War times and pass over to the territorial policy of the future.

But when we speak of new territory in Europe to-day we must principally think of Russia and the border States subject to her.

This colossal Empire in the East is ripe for dissolution. And the end of the Jewish domination in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a State. We are chosen by Destiny to be the witnesses of a catastrophe which will afford the strongest confirmation of the nationalist theory of race.

But it is our task, and it is the mission of the National Socialist Movement, to develop in our people that political mentality which will enable them to realize that the aim which they must set to themselves for the fulfilment of their future must not be some wildly enthusiasti

http://greatwar.nl/books/meinkampf/meinkampf.pdf

Actually we aided the allies through Lend Lease.

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And by incursions in the Pacific you mean the completely justified economic boycott and trade embargo on oil and rubber (which is the right of any nation to conduct and is not Cassus Belli for war) in response to Japans illegal wars in the far east.

It was Hitler who declared war on the United States not the other way around.

 

Of course you're going to ignore the facts and evidence which I provided in my post as is your modus operandi.

Abject nonsense, Hitler was fighting for racial supremacism over the Untermensch of the world to be enslaved under Aryan rule and the extermination of the Lebensunwertes Leben (Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Slavs, etc) under Generalplan Ost to clear the path for Aryan Lebensraum. Hitler's war was one of territorial conquest, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. His war against the Soviet Union was primarily motivated for said conquest as clearly outlined in Mein Kampf:

Therefore we National Socialists have purposely drawn a line through the line of conduct followed by pre-War Germany in foreign policy. We put an end to the perpetual Germanic march towards the South and West of Europe and turn our eyes towards the lands of the East. We finally put a stop to the colonial and trade policy of pre-War times and pass over to the territorial policy of the future.

But when we speak of new territory in Europe to-day we must principally think of Russia and the border States subject to her.

This colossal Empire in the East is ripe for dissolution. And the end of the Jewish domination in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a State. We are chosen by Destiny to be the witnesses of a catastrophe which will afford the strongest confirmation of the nationalist theory of race.

But it is our task, and it is the mission of the National Socialist Movement, to develop in our people that political mentality which will enable them to realize that the aim which they must set to themselves for the fulfilment of their future must not be some wildly enthusiasti


http://greatwar.nl/books/meinkampf/meinkampf.pdf

 

No you have not, all you can do is cherry pick one of the points that I make out of the totality of the post and offer an invalid rebuttal for example your only response to the numerous Nazi documents presented is to claim forgery where none exists and even though I have shown you the authentication from the Nazi's themselves, then you make absurd claims like that the translator at the Eichmann trial was not translating what the Prosecutor was saying even though the line of questioning to Eichmann regarding the authenticity of the Wannssee Transcripts were from his defense attorneys in the German, you have posted the long debunked World Almanac Gambit, you have provided further debunked statistical analysis from the likes of Sanning and Nording which I have thoroughly refuted, you claim there is no evidence when there is and then completely ignore the debunking of your claims with said evidence by calling it a "C&P job" you have no valid rebuttal whatsoever to a single one of the facts which I have presented. These are just some examples of your "answers" to the preponderance of evidence which I (and others) have provided.

The only lie here is the assertion that appx. 6 million Jews were systematically exterminated by the Nazi regime in their genocidal attempt to annihilate European Jewry.

Our leaders were sending young men and boys to stop Nazi Germany's war of conquest, ethnic cleansing, genocide, and enslavement which he started, that is the difference.

The evidence is overwhelming and you can not offer a valid rebuttal to a single one of the points which I will now once again provide:

You have been provided the Special Operational Reports of the Einsatzgrupen to the SS-Reichssicherheitshauptamt Reich Main Security Office (RSHA) detailing the targeting of Jews, the dates of the killings, where they were killed, and how many:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/sitreptoc.html

You have been shown the authentication of those reports by SS-Sturmbannführer Kurt Lindow chief of subdepartment IV A 1 [of the RSHA] who received them.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/esg/authenticity.html

You have been provided the Jager report produced by SS-Standartenführer Karl Jäger, commander of Einsatzkommando 3 detailing the extermination of Lithuanian Jewry including nearly 40,000 children:

http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocJager.htm

You have been shown the testimony of Morgen, Kremer, Böck, Hofmann, Hössler, Klein, Münch, and Stark, all high ranking Nazis, none charged with any crimes, who all came forward of their own volition to testify, and to this day have not recanted their testimony to their dying day,

You have been shown the Wannsee Transcripts outlining the Final Solution to the Jewish question.

http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/wansee-transcript.html

You have been shown the testimony of SS Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann the man who took the minutes of the conference who confirmed them as authentic during his trial under questioning from his defense attorney's Robert Servatius and Dieter Wechtenbruch:in the German.

http://www.ghwk.de/ghwk/engl/texts/eichmanns-testimony.pdf

[video=youtube;kPFcMy1oLIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPFcMy1oLIA[/video]

[video=youtube;m3TqRrAK4e0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3TqRrAK4e0[/video]

You have been shown Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler's Poznan Speech of October 4, 1943 proving that Final Solution was a euphemism for extermination and not deportation:

I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It's one of those things that is easily said: 'The Jewish people are being exterminated', says every party member, 'this is very obvious, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, we're doing it, hah, a small matter.' [...] But of all those who talk this way, none had observed it, none had endured it. Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when 500 lie there or when 1,000 are lined up. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person - with exceptions due to human weaknesses - had made us tough. This is a page of glory never mentioned and never to be mentioned. [...] We have the moral right, we had the duty to our people to do it, to kill this people who wanted to kill us.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/

And another on October 6, 1943:

I ask of you that that which I say to you in this circle be really only heard and not ever discussed. We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? – I decided to find a clear solution to this problem too. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men - in other words, to kill them or have them killed and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. [...] I felt obliged to you, as the most superior dignitary, as the most superior dignitary of the party, this political order, this political instrument of the Führer, to also speak about this question quite openly and to say how it has been. The Jewish question in the countries that we occupy will be solved by the end of this year. Only remainders of odd Jews that managed to find hiding places will be left over.

You have been shown the comparative World Almanac census statistics for the global Jewish population showing a drop of nearly 5.5 million between 1938 and 1949.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.cgi?people//f/freedman.benjamin/background-data

You have been shown the Nazi document showing that an 80,000 cremation capacity per month at Auschwitz was insufficient.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

You have been shown the details of the mass graves excavated at Belzec:

Grave 3 is 16 meters long by 15 meters wide by 5 meters deep (about 52 feet by 50 feet by 16 feet.)

Grave 10 is 24 meters long by 18 meters wide by 5 meters deep (about 78 feet by 59 feet by 16 feet.)

Grave 20 extends outside the current camp boundaries and so could not be completely measured. The part that could be measured is 26 meters long by 11 meters wide by 5 meters deep (85 feet by 36 feet by 16 feet).

More dishonestly, Mattogno fails to mention at all that Graves 1, 4, 13, 25, 27, 28 and 32 also contain unburned remains.

Therefore, out of 10 graves that held whole human remains, Mattogno only acknowledges 3 of them.

Grave 5 contains "pieces of burnt human bones so densely packed together that the drill could not penetrate further." The grave is 32 meters long by 10 meters wide by 4.50 meters deep (about 105 feet by 33 feet by 15 feet).

Grave 6 is 30 meters long by 10 meters wide by 4 meters deep (about 99 feet by 33 feet by 13 feet). It contains "carbonized wood and pieces of fragments of burnt human bones. At the east end of the grave, the ground is covered with gray sand containing a mixture of crushed pieces of burnt and unburned pieces of human bones."

Graves 3, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33 all contain fragments of burnt human bones, human ashes and carbonized wood.

Grave 14 is the largest in the camp. It contains "burnt pieces of human bones and fragments of carbonized wood mixed with grey sandy soil to a depth of 5 meters." That is about 16 feet deep.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspo t.com/2006/05/carlo-mattogno-on-belzec.html

You have been shown the unrepentant testimony of SS-Gruppenführer Otto Ohlendorf head of Einsatzgruppen D outlining the rear actions of the Einsatzagruppen regarding the intentional murder of ethnic Jews in the East based on their blood including the women and children:


Q. What were these orders?

A. These orders had as their purpose to make it as easy as possible for the unfortunate victim and to prevent the brutality of the men from leading to inevitable excesses. Thus I first ordered that only so many victims should be brought to the place of execution as the execution commandos could handle. Any individual action by any individual man was forbidden. The Einsatzkommandos shot in a military manner only upon orders. It was strictly ordered to avoid any maltreatment, undressing was not permitted. The taking of any personal possessions was not permitted. Publicity was not permitted, and at the very moment when it was noted that a man had experienced joy in carrying out these executions, it was ordered that this man should never participate in any more executions. The men could not report voluntarily, they were ordered.
Q. Why did you not prevent the liquidations?

A. Even if I use the most severe standard in judging this, I had as little possibility as any of the codefendants here to prevent this order. There was only one thing, a senseless martyrdom through suicide, senseless because this would not have changed anything in the execution of this order, for this order was not an order of the SS, it was an order of the Supreme Commander in Chief and the Chief of State; it was not only carried out by Himmler or Heydrich. The army had to carry it out too, the High Command of the Army as well as the commanders in the east and southeast who were the superior commanders for the Einsatzgruppen and Einsatzkommandos. If I could imagine a theoretical possibility, then there was only the refusal on the part of those persons who were in the uppermost hierarchy and could appeal to the Supreme Commander and Chief of State, because they had the only possibility of getting access to him. They were, after all, the highest bearers of responsibility in the theater of operations.

Q. Did you not try in Nikolaev to dissuade the Reich Leader SS from this order?

A. The situation in Nikolaev was especially depressing in a moral sense, because in agreement with the army, we had excluded a large number of Jews, the farmers, from the executions. When the Reich Leader SS was in Nikolaev on 4 or 5 October, I was reproached for this measure and he ordered that henceforth, even against the will of the army, the executions should take place as planned. When the Reich Leader SS arrived at my headquarters, I had assembled all available commanders of my Einsatzgruppe. The Reich Leader addressed these men and repeated the strict order to kill all those groups which I have designated. He added that he alone would carry the responsibility, as far as accounting to the Fuehrer was concerned. None of the men would bear any responsibility, but he demanded the execution of this order, even though he knew how harsh these measures were. Nevertheless, after supper, I spoke to the Reich Leader and I pointed out the inhuman burden which was being imposed on the men in killing all these civilians. I didn't even get an answer.

Q. Now, I cannot pronounce it correctly, the Karaims were another sect whom you encountered in the south of Russia, and this sect had no Jewish blood, but it did share the religious confessions of the Jews. Is that right?

A. Yes.

Q. You submitted to Berlin the question whether the Karaims should be killed, and I understood you to say that the order you got from Berlin was you shall not kill them for they have nothing in common with the Jews except the confession?

A. Yes.

Q. Will you explain to the Court, please, what difference there was between the Karaims and the Krimchaks, except Jewish blood ?

A. I understand your question completely in reference to the eastern Jews, in the case of the Jews who were found in the eastern campaign. These Jews were to be killed-according to the order-for the reason that they were considered carriers of bolshevism, and, therefore, considered as endangering the security of the German Reich. This concerned the Jews who were found in Russia, and it was not known to me that the Jews in all of Europe were being killed, but on the contrary I knew that down to my dismissal these Jews were not killed, but it was attempted at all costs to get them to emigrate. The fact that the Karaims were not killed showed that the charge of the prosecution that persons were persecuted for their religion is not correct, for the Karaims had that Jewish religion, but they could not be killed because they did not belong to the Jewish race.

Q. I think, Witness, you answered exactly what I had antici-

*Sect which refused the Talmud and adopted the Old Testament as sole source of faith.
**Turkish Jews of mixed Semitic and Tartaric blood.

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pated in the last sentence, "They did not belong to the JewishRace," is that right?

A. Yes, That is right.

Q. They were found in Russia?

A. Yes.

Q. But they participated in the Jewish confession in Russia?

A. The Karaims had the Jewish faith, yes.

Q. But your race authorities in Berlin could find no trace of Jewish blood in them?

A. Yes.

Q. So they came absolutely under the Fuehrer Decree or the Streckenbach Order to kill all Jews?

A. Yes.

Q. Because of blood?

A. Because they were of Jewish origin. For you must understand the Nazi ideology, as you call it. It was the opinion of the Fuehrer that in Russia and in bolshevism, the representatives of this blood showed themselves especially suitable for this idea, therefore, the carriers of this blood became especially suitable representatives of the bolshevism. That is not on account of their faith, or their religion, but because of their human make-up and character.

Q. And because of their blood, right?

A. I cannot express it any more definitely than I stated, from their nature and their characteristics. Their blood, of course, has something to do with it, according to National Socialist ideology.

Q. Let's see, if I can understand it; we've got a lot of time, I hope. What was the distinction except blood?

A. Between whom?

B. Between the Karaims and the Krimchaks?

A. The difference of the blood, yes.

Q. Only the difference in blood, is that so?

A. Yes.

Q. So the criterion and the test which you applied in your slaughter was blood?

A. The criteria which I used were the orders which I got, and it has not been doubted during the entire trial, that in this
Fuehrer Order the Jews were designated as the ones who belonged to that circle in Russia and who were to be killed.

Q. Tell us how orders that you operated under in 1941 in Russia differed from the order which controlled killing of Jews in Poland in 1939 ?

A. In Poland individual actions had been ordered, while in Russia, during the entire time of the commitment, the killing of all Jews had been ordered. Special actions in Poland had been ordered, whose contents I do not know in detail.

COL. AMEN: Were all victims, including the men, women, and children executed in the same manner?

OHLENDORF: Until the spring of 1942, yes. Then an order came from Himmler that in the future women and children were to be killed only in gas vans.

COL. AMEN: How had women and children been killed previously?

OHLENDORF: In the same was as the men - by shooting.

COL. POKROVSKY: You said that mostly women and children were executed in these vans. For what reason?

OHLENDORF: That was a special order from Himmler to the effect that women and children were not to be exposed to the mental strain of the executions; and thus the men of the kommandos, mostly married men, should not be compelled to aim at women and children.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): In your testimony you said that the Einsatz group had the object of annihilating the Jews and the commissars, is that correct?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): And in what category did you consider the children? For what reason were the children massacred?

OHLENDORF: The order was that the Jewish population should be totally exterminated.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Including the children?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Were all the Jewish children murdered?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/Einsatz2c.htm
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/Ohlentestimony.html

You have been shown the report from SS Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler to Fuhrer Adolf Hitler entitled "Report to the Führer on Combating Partisans", stating that 363,211 Jews had been killed by Einsatzgruppen in August–November 1942.



You have been shown the Höfle Telegrams sent by SS-Sturmbannführer Hermann Höfle on January 11, 1943 to SS-Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann in Berlin and SS Obersturmbannführer Franz Heim in Cracow detailing the number of deaths of Jews in the concentration camps.



You have been shown the Korherr Report written by chief inspector of the statistical bureau of the SS, Dr Richard Korherr outlining the population drop of European Jewry (4 million not including substantial portions of Eastern European Jewry and Jews within occupied Soviet Russia) from 1937 to December 1942.

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.o rg/holoprelude/korherr.html

And now you have been shown the searchable database of over 4.2 million names and back stories of Jewish victims of the Shoah compiled by Yad Vashem.

http://db.yadvashem.org/names/search.html?language=en

Absolute nonsense in fact the U.S. aided the Whites, provide evidence for your unsubstantiated assertion.

lol it was Hitler who sought to institute a "New Order" through the establishment of the Greater German Reich through wars of conquest, ethnic cleansing, and genocide:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism)

PUre hyperbole, and now we can see beyond any shadow of a doubt that no amounts of facts or evidence will be enough. I unfortunately think that logic and reason have lost the fight against hysterical irrationality.

And by "another way" you mean proto-fascist tyrannical totalitarian regimes the world over.

 

I didn't ask what history proves (which is always sort-of hard to prove). I asked how you would argue with a German who said "We have to work these prisoners to death! It's necessary to the war effort, and we can't take chances!"

 

Did we win? Did we murdered innocents in death camp?
You are a morality relativist, which is really dumb and not deserving of any more of my time.
Tata...