Israel forced to apologise over offensive Hiroshima comments

Alright, you got my attention. Sorry about the Dude thing, personally I got thing for Uma and thought about making her my avatar as well. Plus, I liked your answer about the conspiracy forums...it was accurate.

So lay out your speculations about H & N notbeing A bombs.

 

no, i don't want to report this thread for being derailed.

 

No I'm going to bed, it is 2.30 in the morn and here I am again !

What if I'm right though eh

 

Then tomorrow. But don't take too long, I have a short attention span...

 

I wasn't really intending to argue it ...... just give a little food for thought. .

 

I wouldn't have apologized after what the Fascist bastards did to all of far east Asia, have we heard a formal apology for the rape of thousands of "comfort women" I think not, the crimes of the Japanese in many cases outweigh those of the Nazi's and the flag of the rising sun is regarded in the East as the Swastika is in the west. <<< MODERATOR EDIT: OFF TOPIC >>>

 

"Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the consequence of Japanese aggression. You reap what you sow."


That statement is 100% correct.

If Japan didn't want to have their asses kicked in a war, they shouldn't have started one.

Using those gadgets saves thousands of AMERICAN lives, and that was all the justification any rational person needs to use them.

Also, note that it was an Israeli, a descendant of the survivors of fascism, a son of a victim, getting tired of the sons of the aggressors in that same war, on the side of his oppressors, whining about how terrible it was for them to be bombed like that.

They asked for it, they got it, they need to shut up about it.

 

Nimitz apparently ignores the victories of Western antiquity, Islamic conquests, and various East Asian battles in addition to the "Dark Ages."

 

Terrible things have happened to people around the world because those that rule them have embarked upon self-serving power trips which the population may or may not have been conned into supporting through manipulation of the mass media. And all around us to this day that crazy s**t is still happening.
I could give a f**k that it was an Israeli who said it. I could give a further f**k that it was about the Japanese. Populations have suffered and if they have some form of tradition to help them remember and deal with trauma and grief that reinforces why people should not go to war then good on them!
I personally would have liked to have seen the Japanese say that no apology was necessary because his opinion mattered 'that much' when it came to the internal cultural expression of their own country.

 

The Jews serve themselves to remember that they were the victims.

The Japanese serve themselves by pretending they were the victims of war.

Since the Japanese started the war, they're not anyone's victims but themselves....something they do not point out, ever.

It's not surprising, not in the least, that people on the Left can't see the difference in the two positions.

 

Actually, we do know more than they did.

It's called history, something they couldn't study while they were making it.

Too bad the Japanese refused to surrender. We asked them too, they refused. So we nuked them because the lives of Americans were worth more to us than the lives of the Japanese, who, after all, were the emperor's responsibility, not ours. Guess who's lifes were in the hands of Truman that August? Guess who'd be impeached if it became know we had a weapon like the nuclear bomb, and decided to go the Tarawa and Iwo Jima route, instead?

Any particular reason why, in 1945 an American president would suddenly start to value Jap life more than the lives of US soldiers?

No, there's no reason at all.

The bomb saved 5,000,000 lives.....most of them Japanese. So what, exactly, are you and those people (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about. The other alternative, Japan surrendering, wasn't going to happen.

 

From Upload #1

Israel has been forced to issue a formal apology to Japan over offensive comments posted on Facebook by its head of online public diplomacy.
The apology followed a complaint by the Japanese ambassador to Israel, Hideo Sato, after senior government official Daniel Seaman disparaged commemorations for the victims of the 1945 atomic bombs, causing a wave of protests in Japan.

"I am sick of the Japanese, 'Human Rights' and 'Peace' groups the world over holding their annual self-righteous commemorations for the Hiroshima and Nagasaki victims," Seaman wrote on his Facebook page. "Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the consequence of Japanese aggression. You reap what you sow."
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The Japanese still have not come to terms with their nation's behavior through the 1920's, 30's and early 40's.
They do not teach their history and all they know is suddenly, America dropped bombs.
Before apologizing to Hideo Sato, Japanese ambassador to Israel, Sato should have to pass a "history" exam of those dark years of Japanese aggression.
I bet he doesn't even know of Pearl Harbor or the Rape of Nanking or the Bataan Death March, etc.

Moi
Nephew of a Pearl Harbor survivor. Battleship Nevada.



BTW Japan was an avid supporter of the Arab boycott against Israel and did not do business with Israel for decades. If I remember correctly, America broke the boycott by saying you can't boycott and do business with America. Not sure though.

 

You want the subjects to pass history exams before they are insulted ? NeoZionists wouldn't have any time left for theft and ethnic cleansing.

 

The assertion in your quoted article that the Japanese had already sued for peace is an overt lie, not only had the Japanese not sued for peace they had ordered every man, woman, and child to fight any invasion to the death, they did not even surrender after the first bomb was dropped, the militarists were still firmly in control of the Japanese Cabinet and they refused negotiation unless four conditions were met, that none of them would stand trial by the allies, that there would be no occupation of Japan, that Japan would continue to control Korea, and that the Japanese themselves would be in charge of demobilization and demilitarization, quite frankly to suggest that this was even close to being an acceptable negotiated peace to the allies is delusional.

Any proposed blockade would have resulted in far more Japanese casualties through slow starvation, and the casualty estimates for the proposed operation Downfall put the figures at a minimum of 100 thousand dead American soldiers and 1 million Japanese casualties with a maximum of 2 million American dead and 10 million Japanese killed. One needs look no further than the casualty figures for the Battle of Okinawa to see the unacceptable amount of casualties any proposed invasion of mainland Japan would have entailed.

Furthermore; this doesn't take into consideration the tens of thousands of people who were dying simply through the continuation of the war due to breakdowns in commerce causing shortages of food and medicine resulting in a humanitarian crisis the likes of which the world has seldom seen.

History professor Robert James Maddox wrote:

Another myth that has attained wide attention is that at least several of Truman's top military advisers later informed him that using atomic bombs against Japan would be militarily unnecessary or immoral, or both. There is no persuasive evidence that any of them did so. None of the Joint Chiefs ever made such a claim, although one inventive author has tried to make it appear that Leahy did by braiding together several unrelated passages from the admiral's memoirs. Actually, two days after Hiroshima, Truman told aides that Leahy had 'said up to the last that it wouldn't go off.'

Neither MacArthur nor Nimitz ever communicated to Truman any change of mind about the need for invasion or expressed reservations about using the bombs. When first informed about their imminent use only days before Hiroshima, MacArthur responded with a lecture on the future of atomic warfare and even after Hiroshima strongly recommended that the invasion go forward. Nimitz, from whose jurisdiction the atomic strikes would be launched, was notified in early 1945. 'This sounds fine,' he told the courier, 'but this is only February. Can't we get one sooner?'

The best that can be said about Eisenhower's memory is that it had become flawed by the passage of time.
Notes made by one of Stimson's aides indicate that there was a discussion of atomic bombs, but there is no mention of any protest on Eisenhower's part.[65]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate...gasaki#Japan.27s_leaders_refused_to_surrender

The assertions by Nimitz et al after the war assumed that the firebombings would continue, the blockade would continue, and the war would continue.

 

I'm sure that everybody is already familiar with the well-worn, hand-me-down assumptions of pro-bomb civilian slaughter apologists.

 

The holocaust is a tragic blight on the history of humanity.

Are you talking about the official government line? I believe they made an attempt at an apology earlier this year? It wasn't well received by the Chinese as I remember.
But what are you saying about the Japanese marking this day then? That the current population shouldn't have access to a mechanism that helps them deal with traumas of war?

It's not surprising that people who live in a dualistic world think it can be divided with any form of accuracy into those who drive on the left or right hand side of the road?

 

But from your own posts that is not allowed to apply to the Palestinians.

A very interesting question is .... Why not?

 

And that is what you refer to as facts, we know the likes of pro-blockade, pro-invasion, pro-firebombing crowd would rather have continued the war, starved and firebombed exponentially more Japanese to death than were caused by the nuclear bombings and prolong the 200,000 monthly death count in China and Vietnam due to starvation and disease as a result of war time conditions, luckily though smarter heads prevailed and they opted to end the war as soon as possible saving multiple millions of lives in the process unlike those who didn't support ending the war who would have preferred tens of millions of more deaths during WW2, one wonders if these peoples blood lust and genocidal tendencies know no bounds.

 

Blood prove it, the Japanese government to this day have refused to acknowledge war guilt or the atrocities that they perpetrated throughout far East Asia and the Pacific.

 

The Japanese effort to acknowledge their war crimes leaves a lot to be desired but I don't see why they shouldn't commemorate Hiroshima.

 

Crap. The same purposes would have been served if the US had demonstrated its new toy elsewhere. The incineration of civilians was completely unnecessary. I wonder if the decision was influenced, post-Holocaust, by the fact that over half of the Manhattan Project team were jewish. We'll never know, of course- just as we can never be satisfied with your crass assumptions.

 

This is what I was talking about. But it was a Japanese ex-PM so not the official government line. And the folks back home weren't too happy with him either.
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20130119000008&cid=1101

 

My guess is probably because they are a district of Jordan.

Moi

Hate and Bigotry is as Hate and Bigotry uploads.​

And for topicalness sake I still maintain Mr. Sato or whatever could not pass a history exam regarding Japan of the 1920's, 30's and early '40's.
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What is a neo-zionist please? Really.

 

Absolute bloody nonsense as demonstrated by the Japanese refusal to surrender even after the first bomb was dropped.

Agreed so why do you support the continuance of the fire bombing which would have resulted from the continuance of the war which you are advocating.

And your anti-Semitism shows through once again unequivocally. The only thing we can be sure about is those in favor of continuing the war; such as, yourself support increased civilian and military casualties for WW2 in orders of magnitude up to tens of millions (200.000 per month for all 97 months of the war in China and Vietnam alone).

 

I presume you have some proof for that statement, or are you just trolling?
Nah ... don't worry. It is clear what you were doing, and I would like to stay on-topic.