It looks like the Fall Surge is coming

You mean like the flu, which can have lasting after effects on health?

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/flu-long-term-effects

 

School shutdowns are denying children the normal interaction with their peers, which is part of mental health. Just one hospital in Texas has seen adolescent suicides more than double this year. I expect this is happening across the country and around the world.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...uicide-patients-nearly-one-per-day-last-month

For every hour of life lost in the elderly's life expectancy, then rest of the population is losing 7 hours of life due to stress related to job shutdowns, unemployment financial headaches, and loss of normal social contacts.

"...mental health studies showing that one-third to one-half of all U.S. adults have been “substantially compromised” by reactions to the pandemic, citing several examples including a survey from the American Psychiatric Association, showing that at least 36% of adults say the coronavirus is “is having a serious impact on their mental health.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-more-years-of-life-than-lockdowns-save-study

So which third or half of the country would we hypothesize are being more effected by stress and anxiety over the virus? The half combing through numbers daily and consuming infor from hyped-up media outlets which are exaggerating the severity of the virus, or the half which is taking things in stride and looking at the facts that this virus is just not that deadly, unless you are over 70 with preexisting comorbidities?

 

Over the summer, a few states (like Washington) stopped following the advice of CDC to count every death "with Covid" as a Covid death and be more realistic about other comorbid conditions causing the death. That should drop the "death numbers" a bit.

We also had a mutation (D614G) in the virus they noticed in March which became almost 100% of cases by June. The "D" variety was harder to transmit than the "G", so "G" causes far more infectious cases but doesn't appear to have the same case fatality rate.

More prevalent and less deadly is something we can all celebrate!

 

If they are 6%, that would be a little over 12,000.

 

Imagine how many cases of Covid happened January through March which got counted as "Influenza" or "Pneumonia" death, then we had a "Covid test".

This fall/winter is likely to be a total mess for data, even as bad as the data has been to date. It can get worse. Someone can get a flu virus and Covid virus at the same time. Any bets whether "flu", "pneumonia", or "Covid" will be counted as the cause of death?

 

I believe it is much more serious than anything I have ever heard about the flue. Please stop trying to minimise.

 

OK. Seems the Westminster Government were thinking about demanding everyone over 45 stay at home and let everyone else get on with it, presumably creating some semblance of herd immunity..'Sage' (scientific advisors) however did not believe that this was workable or would do the job as well as the reality that it is not just over 45's who die, though obviously the numbers are very low, but also because of the on going illnesses which one third of those who recover from covid are subject to. I know when they were talking about bringing in restrictions again, I was not sure why they were so concerned. I suspected it is because of the after illness. It would be a disaster for a country to have a third of its adults having long term inability to work and all the medical care etc.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/everyone-aged-over-45-could-19006738

That I suspect has a lot to do with the kind of restrictions we are seeing now.

On the ongoing health problems

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...th/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351

Recently I have several times heard people saying that it now looks like it is going to be about a third of people.

The UK Government several weeks ago started giving money for research into these long term effects.

 

I honestly don’t believe that COVID-19 is any worse than the flu, other than that there is a vaccine for the flu and none yet for COVID-19. The symptoms are near identical, and COVID-19 is a bit more contagious, but other than that, when you boil it all down, COVID-19 is still just another strain of coronavirus, and coronavirus is still one of the causes of the common cold.

 

Facts are not a minimization. They just look that way relative to the extreme hysteria which has gone on in most major media for the last several months.

 

Everything? My kids are trapped in the house for the most part. No school. Little social interaction.

No family gatherings really.

No vacations No eating at restaurants. Cancelled cruises. Cancelled parties. Working from home.

It has sucked. Truly sucked and still does.

 

I felt a lot better when it was down 80% before Trump told us to open to early.
Another couple of weeks it would have been down 96%.

 

Ahh, no.
With herd immunity cases go down.

 

I guess that's why the medical examiner called it homicide???

 

After going up considerably. People have to catch it first before becoming immune to it.

 

Which medical examiner? There was more than one. The one that was bought and paid for by the family and handpicked by Benjamin Crump of Trayvon Martin fame?

 

On Wednesday, Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison announced upgraded charges of second-degree unintentional murder against Chauvin. The charge carries a maximum penalty of 40 years in prison.

 

Keith Ellison, eh? Ellison and the fingerraping cripple Jacob Blake have a lot in common in the girlfriend-mistreatment department.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...eith-ellison-abuse-allegations-metoo.amp.html

 

I provided you with the Information to cover what I said.

If you put in a search you would be able to find plenty of information on this. I just considered people in the US seem to trust the Mayo clinic.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...th/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351

Nothing like this happens with flue.

Ignoring reality is not just hysterical it is insane.

It is impossible to talk to people who ignore reality so consider this conversation ended.

 

Because we have vaccines for the flu. That is literally the only difference between the two. By your standards, we should hold Obama accountable for all the people that he allowed to die from the flu virus during his 8 years in the Oval Office.

 

The point is we don't have a vaccine and the long term effects of Covid-19 are more severe than the Flu

 

For some people, maybe. Asymptomatics don’t seem to be affected too much by it, and I’d bet good money that they vastly outnumber the cases that are suffering symptoms from COVID-19.

 

No, that is just your hope. Asymtomatic people are affected just like those who had it more severe

https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/12/after-covid19-mental-neurological-effects-smolder/

Looking at the effect on the heart below.

Covid-19 Can Cause Heart Damage—Even If You Are Asymptomatic

Asymtomatic people are found to have the same after effects, heart lung and brain as well as the minor ones.

There are plenty of other articles for you to browse through but the after effects affect up to a third of people who have had Covid 19 and that includes those who were Aystomatic. You can't ignore this one thinking it is only going to kill the old and those with co morbities.

 

How long did it take you to build that straw man.
Homicide Homer.

 

You can replace Covid with Influenza in that article just as easily. The flu can create lasting damage in the same groups (older people and people with preexisting chronic conditions). I posted one article for your amusement about potential long-lasting heart damage after the flu.

Here is one which indicates chronic damage to the central nervous system:

Long-Term Neuroinflammation Induced by Influenza A Virus Infection and the Impact on Hippocampal Neuron Morphology and Function
https://www.jneurosci.org/content/38/12/3060

Here is one linking influenza to lasting lung damage:

Influenza A Virus Infection Causes Chronic Lung Disease Linked to Sites of Active Viral RNA Remnants
https://www.jimmunol.org/content/201/8/2354

Just because you have read articles about lasting damage from Covid but have not ever heard of lasting damage from the flu doesn't mean that "nothing like this happens with the flu". It means you weren't aware of the facts. It really is impossible to talk to people who ignore reality, isn't it.

 

CDC estimated 10 undiagnosed, asymptomatic cases for every positive case which gets recorded. That would suggest 70 million U.S. cases. I'd say we are well on our way to herd immunity.