Judge in Flynn case orders Mueller to turn over interview docs after bombshell claim of FBI pressure

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Judge Emmet G. Sullivan (first appointed by Reagan to the Superior Court of DC and by George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the DC Court of Appeals) scolded the Trump felon with righteous loathing, but allowed him further opportunity to continue to come clean with the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel before sentencing. (Mueller has recommended leniency.)
    Judge Sullivan was clearly disturbed by the propaganda campaign to excuse the confessed felon. A Russian disinformation campaign to smear Mueller was recently exposed, and there are some willing dupes in the US eager to bow to Putin's will.
     
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    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    To again quote the left wing Politico: "Sweden has gone from being a low-crime country to having homicide rates significantly above the Western European average."

    You apparently can't read yet deride my critical thinking?

    You claim an article from a right wing publication is bogus and an article addressing crime in Sweden from a left wing source is also bogus. Please enlighten us all as to your source for the truth. Your intuition perhaps.

    Next you will deny that the Social Democrat party is loosing voters in Sweden.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is the homicide rate in Sweden? how much more is it than the euro average? how does it compare to the US homicide rate.

    Keep sucking up that propaganda. By the way you may want to inform yourself by actually reading the politco article its explained rather well.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/swe...ty-undoing-peaceful-self-image-law-and-order/



    and here is a site that can provide you with all kinds of EU statistics by country

    https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/EDN-20180222-1
    [​IMG]

    Get back to me with those critical thinking skills upon acquisition.
     
  4. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Flynn's attempt to weasel out of his guilty plea coincided nicely with Putin's current disinformation campaign to smear the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel.
    Sen. Roy Blunt (R) of the Senate Intelligence Committee, released the confirmation of Putin's ongoing perfidy.

     
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    Here was what you were deliberately, intentionally, and purposefully. Trying to avoid.


    1. Emmet G. Sullivan Was Named to Judicial Posts by Presidents From Both Parties


    Emmet Sullivan has been named to judicial positions by three presidents: Bill Clinton. George H.W. Bush. Ronald Reagan. Two Republicans, and one Democrat.

    Emmet Sullivan was named to his current position on the federal bench by former President Bill Clinton......snip~

    https://heavy.com/news/2018/12/judge-emmet-sullivan-politics-republican-democrat/


    You do know what Current Position means, Right?


    and to the federal bench in 1994 by President Bill Clinton.....snip~
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmet_G._Sullivan

    That would be the US District Court of Columbia.

    Sentencing delayed.....after Sullivan told Flynn he sold out the Country. While talking about Flynn as an agent for Turkey. After Flynn gave up his business partners.


    Tuesday was a bad day for Flynn and a good day, perhaps, for Trump
     
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    oh I am hoping someone leaks everything, republicans leaked like Crazy about Hillary, pretty tight lipped about Trump unless they think might benefit him
     
  7. JET3534

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    Before I get back to you anything I want you to get back to me on what you have ever done to create wealth and if the answer is nothing get back to me on the basis for your representing yourself as an authority on the barriers to creating wealth.

    Maybe you can also get back to me on why crime stats from 2015 have something to do with a Politico commentary on a violent crime explosion in 2018.
     
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  9. Lil Mike

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    My memory of the Clinton administration is quite different.
     
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    Obviously you didn't read the link, huh?

    Here lets see if you can comprehend what the Washington Examiner is saying.


    Tom Rogan.

    That brings us to the many redactions in Mueller's sentencing report on Flynn. They now suggest that there is far more damaging material pertaining to Flynn that is waiting to come to light here. I strongly suspect that this will involve documentation of Flynn's effort to subvert U.S. national interests and federal law in order to serve aggressive Turkish government interests: specifically, Turkey's interest in extracting exiled Turkish cleric, Fethullah Gulen, from the U.S. But Flynn's record of erratic behavior indicates that his Turkish antics were born of arrogance and greed rather than treasonous intent.

    Yet for Trump, Tuesday at least was not a bad day. Put simply, Sullivan strongly implied that whatever Mueller had got from Flynn was not enough to justify Flynn receiving a lenient sentence. He has delayed sentencing so as to give Flynn more time to help the government in order to help himself......snip~
     
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    WTF is that all about? get out of left field much?

    I overcame the barrier to my wealth creation years ago, sonny.

    Sorry I didn't notice the date of that one.

    Here's a much better more contemporary source of all Official Swedish crime stats. And it isn't a violent crime explosion at all.
    (course if thenumber of murders go up by 20, its a big % increase in Sweden, its not even a rounding error in the states.)


    https://www.bra.se/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/murder-and-manslaughter.html

    Murder and manslaughter

    Murder, manslaughter, and assault with a lethal outcome are usually jointly designated lethal violence. In 2017, 113 cases of lethal violence were confirmed in Sweden. The average of lethal violence for the last ten years is 92 cases per year


    Lethal violence

    Confirmed cases of lethal violence, of which lethal violence against men or women¹, 2008 – 2017. (Reported cases of lethal violence where lethal violence is highly likely to be the cause of death). Source: Confirmed cases of lethal violence (Brå)


    upload_2018-12-18_18-19-7.png

    Blue is total, yellow is men, purple is women.
     
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    I wasn't expecting the judge to be a complete moron. The criteria for Treason is the ONLY crime specified in the US Constitution, so that lamebrain idiots couldn't throw the charge around like yesterday's dirty socks.

    Elements of Treason according to the Black Robed Idiot:

    (1) knowingly and intentionally being
    (2) an unregistered agent of
    (3) a NATO ally
    (4) while not working for the U.S. government- but only if prosecutor has not charged and has recommended no jail time.​
     
  13. Natty Bumpo

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    A partisan reference to Sullivan had been posted that failed to mention his appointments by Republican presidents as well. I redressed the omission by correctly noting his first appointments by two Republican presidents.

    The fake claim that Sullivan had admonished the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel, consistent with Putin's ongoing efforts to smear Mueller, has fizzled.
     
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    Agree, in fact, it is quite the opposite.
     
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    Oh dear. This post certainly has not aged well.

    Exactly the opposite of what you hoped for: the judge seems to be saying that he is concerned that the FBI / DOJ may have been treating Flynn too leniently (by recommending no jail).
     
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    I don't usually use the word "dude" but I have to say, dude you make me laugh. I point out the the Politico article is about a 2018 crime explosion and first you respond with 2015 stats and now you respond with stats from 2008-2017.

    "WTF is that about" you say with respect to a comment I made about previous comment you made. Can't you remember your own comments? Go back and look at the comment YOU MADE on wealth creation and then look at my response.

    What you call a WTF comment addresses my response to your comment (my response was repeated because you ignored it the first time.)

    No, I am not going to look up the post numbers for you which I would do if I thought you were interested in a serious discussion.

    Try to keep you comments straight. First you were talking about the US barriers to wealth creation. Now apparently you claim to have had great success with wealth creation. So if you can create wealth, what makes you able to overcome the wealth creation barriers that you say impact other people?
     
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    Well, I guess you know for sure now - that your whole post was a load of conspiracy theory BS.
     
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    That's great. The USA is a Federal Republic. And Socialism has a proven history of failure, nothing more than a ponzy scheme. Remember what Margaret Thatcher said?
     
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    Dude, it seems your explosion isn't. why don't you again read the article. Its pretty damn clear that the year over year "explosion" is about murder rate. Not at you could possibly understand that even a 100% spike in that rate year over year still only yields less than 3 per 100,000 population. Course you cant' be bothered looking up the numbers because that would highlight how ludicrous your assessement of sweden actually is.



    Attributing comments to me that I didn't make is either your confusion or your bullshit. Please produce the comment I made in this thread about barriers to wealth creation. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
     
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    :roflol:

    "But...Clinton..." :bored:

    This thread is about Flynn.

    Anyway, Flynn is gonna SING some more.
     
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    Democratic socialism is a success. Communism has been a total failure for sure. Seems you really don't have a handle of the actual meaning of the labels your throw around so blindly.
     
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    Well I will admit you are right on this one (wealth creation comment). I was responding to message #232 accidentally conflating two discussions on Sweden taking place with you and another forum member.
     
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    The judge was clearly ticked off that Flynn's lawyers put in some weasel excuse about not being told it was a crime to lie to FBI agents, forcing him to do an extra week of review into some nonsense. He likely was more angered by the conspiracy nonsense it built up including the administration.

    The fact that some people buy into and willingly spread such propaganda is a truly sad state of affairs. Hopefully in the future FOX News will die off or change on its own and we can get some real leaders in the White House.
     
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    That's great, greatly false. The USA is a Federal Republic, look it up.
    Though I can see your need to rebrand socialism as "something other" as it is also as big a failure as communism.
     
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    The Moron went into his "Treason!" rant based on this idiots misreading of the record. He openly and falsely slandered Flynn claiming that he was working as a lobbyist for a NATO ally while in the Administration, which is not the case, and profoundly misstates the Constitutional definition of Treason even it was the case.

    He dramatically pointed to the flag, went into his sanctimonious fulmination, all based on his failure to follow the documents entered into evidence for his careful review.

    Flynn's team should immediately file a motion to change the judge. I doubt even Mueller’s team would oppose such a motion given this judge's irrational showboating antics. Any other cooperators looking at plea deals from this point forward have to consider whether they’d be better off with a jury rather than another one of these nutty judges deciding their fate.

    Frankly Flynn might want to change attorneys too. It looks like the entire system has lost its collective mind.
     
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