Judge in Flynn case orders Mueller to turn over interview docs after bombshell claim of FBI pressure

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  1. Zorro

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    The big concern is the criminalization of dissent.

    Because of the proliferation of regulation, which includes criminal-law sanctions, it is increasingly possible to convict a person on some technical offense because we don’t like him, or because we disapprove of something he’s done, which happens not to be against the law.
     
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    That does appear to be the case. Clinton when he assumed office, immediately fired all the US attorneys.
     
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    Why are all of these attorneys and DOJ officials ignoring clear felonies and going after everything Trump? The FBI missed another deadline yesterday.

    We need Trump to declassify those documents, like yesterday.
     
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    What the Dems and Mueller did to Flynn and well this entire hoax is no different then what Obama's DOJ did to Ted Stevens.
     
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    William Barr will handle that. He's a splendid choice.

    Barr brings much-needed experience and instant credibility to the task. After all, he has already been the nation’s chief federal law-enforcement officer, serving as attorney general in the last years of President George H. W. Bush’s term. He led the Department’s Office of Legal Counsel before being elevated by Bush 41 to deputy AG and, ultimately, the top job. He has rightly been adamant that, while an attorney general is a consequential administration official, the AG’s first allegiance is to the Constitution and the laws.

    Barr has supervised Mueller before and once Barr is confirmed, Mueller will again be reporting to him. Mueller knows that Barr understands that investigations must be insulated from politics. In fact, when the now-lapsed independent-counsel law was in effect, Barr appointed one in 1992 to investigate the Bush administration’s scrutiny of then-candidate Bill Clinton’s passport file.

    Mueller knows Barr will expect prosecutors to grasp that their authority is limited to deciding whether there is sufficient evidence to charge crimes. It is for Congress and the voters, not prosecutors, to go beyond questions of guilt or innocence, to make political assessments of a president’s fitness or judgment. Where Mueller has real evidence of a crime, Barr will be his strongest prosecutorial ally; and where Mueller lacks evidence, Barr will expect him to close the case the way prosecutors close cases — without fanfare.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/12/william-barr-attorney-general-nominee-excellent-choice/
     
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    Looking forward to his appointment.
     
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    You know that the lawless Dirty Peter Strzok was one of the interviewing agents?

    The Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General conducted an investigation of the gap in text messages during the period December 15, 2016, through May 17, 2017, from the cell phones assigned to famous FBI lovers Dirty Peter Strzok and Lisa "Happy Horndog" Page. The Office of Inspector General Cyber Investigations Office was asked to attempt recovery of these missing text messages for the period in issue. The Inspector General has just issued a report summarizing his investigation and stating his conclusion.

    Nearly 20,000 text messages have been recovered, but none from the tenure of Strzok and Page with the Special Counsel.

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/12/texts-found-lost-in-a-bottle.php
     
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    A textbook example of non-existing logic. On what basis is one compelled to believe there is no prosecutorial misconduct if the evidence the Judge requested clearly shows misconduct?

    Flynn’s case is pending before DC District Judge Emmet Sullivan. He wants to know more. Based on Flynn’s sentencing memo, Judge Sullivan has entered an order. Judge Sullivan has now ordered the parties to file ALL FBI 302 forms and the Special Counsel is ordered to file its reply to Flynn’s sentencing memo, TODAY!

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    • The August 22, 2017 FBI 302 was likely altered after Mueller had sufficient leverage to pressure Flynn to plea. Originals likely deleted – DoJ has a history of that. Here the timeline becomes important: Rosenstein sent out the new scope memo on August 2, 2017. This gave Mueller increased authority – including the authority to go after FARA violations. That’s why you see Flynn’s work for Turkey mentioned in the Special Counsel’s sentencing memo. The unregistered work for Turkey, which until the appointment of Mueller was never prosecuted, could have sent Flynn to jail for years. The Special Counsel is adept at turning a simple FARA violation into money laundering, conspiracy against the US, etc. Just see the Manafort DC case. Tweets/threads here and here can elaborate and just filed: Judge Sullivan will have access to the 302s.

    • Without the leverage from the Foreign Agent Registration Act violations, Flynn COULD NOT have been prosecuted for giving false statements. Strzok, the interviewing agent, had been removed from the Special Counsel’s team. But most importantly, we have this McCabe quote: “the two people who interviewed Flynn didn’t think he was lying, which was not a great beginning of a false statement case.” Corresponding tweet with source material here.

    Julie Kelly asks if the leakers will ever be prosecuted. Speculation is that McCabe was involved. Sessions announced he was overseeing the probe of the Flynn leak on February 18, 2018, stating they were “pursuing it aggressively.” The McCabe grand jury has been going on for months. If he was only being investigated for his lies about his Clinton leaks – it wouldn’t take that long. See here.

    • However, consider the timing and have the assumption (well-deserved) that the DoJ is acting in bad faith. The DC office won’t do anything to undermine the Special Counsel’s case against Flynn. If it is McCabe and they choose to prosecute, they can’t make the announcement until after Flynn is sentenced. Otherwise there’s the serious possibility that Judge Sullivan would throw it all out – not considering the public relations nightmare if the plea deal stands.

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/12/flynns-fate-4.php
     
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    I am aware and that is what angers me about the DOJ.... they just let it go. I wanted Trump to fire Rosenstein and declassify the documents and the FISA.

    Why hasn't he done this?
     
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    Attachment A is McCabe memo setting up meeting... Flynn essentially waived right to counsel. Not much else there
    Attachment B is very confusing. Dated August 2017, but it's an interview of Strzok about his interview with Flynn... I think
     
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    Interesting, I wonder why we don't get the original Strzok 302 in this release??

    No smoking bone saw here... I'm sure some will jump on this statement -

    "both had the impression at the time that was not lying or did not think he was lying."

    But it's moot... they walked into the interview knowing Flynn was lying to the media and others in the transition team. This was just the test to see if he would continue to lie, and to the FBI this time... He did...
     
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    Here's a question I still don't know for sure... Did Strzok and the other FBI guy KNOW at the time of the Flynn interview that they had the Kislyak recordings??

    If anybody knows that and can document it, please post it...
     
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    I think those decisions will be up to Barr, once he is confirmed. If Trump does this, the entire story will be that Trump did this. Let Barr handle it.
     
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    Yes, they had the recordings ahead of time, then questioned Flynn about his meeting. They already knew what was discussed before going to the White House.
     
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    I believe they interviewed Flynn against a transcript of the call, that they already had in their possession and initially said that Flynn did not lie. Since then, once Mueller was involved, he had them alter their 302's and destroy the original 302's. This is why they have steadfastly refused to produce the original 302's to investigators. They exonerated Flynn and the FBI destroyed them, and produced fraudulent copies to charge Flynn with.

    We'll know for sure once the documents are produced for the Judge.
     
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    Link to actual proof to back this statement up. Tks, I'll wait......
     
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    They did not provide the original 302..... Here is a link to what was given to the Judge which is not what the Judge requested. Awaiting his reaction now.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/michael-flynn-interview-documents

    ^^ Thread opened on this ^^
     
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    Do you have a link to that?? I gather the FBI had the recordings, but did the 2 agents interviewing Flynn know about them?? I assume they did, but never seen that posted anywhere..

    Why start a new thread on this?? Not a big enough story for that... but your call..
     
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    That's funny... The 302 cannot exonerate Flynn, because the 302 is just a FBI report... the facts are Flynns statements vs recordings, not 302s...
     
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    I don't see where they even bothered to explain why the refused to provide the 302's demanded by the Court. Mueller essentially told The Court to stuff it. Mueller is an unethical loose cannon and like Comey, likely another well-practiced liar.
     
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    The FBI has produced no recordings of the Flynn interview, the only contemporaneous record of the interview is the 302's which they are still withholding from the Court while making statements about them!

    Mueller should be immediately charged with Obstruction.
     
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    Flynn may have bought himself some jail time with this cute little trick.
    What was he trying to say?
    Of course I was lying to everyone, but they weren't nice about catching me?
    He's the guy to run the NSC and he doesn't know you can't lie to the FBI.
    If he's that dumb he should be locked up.
     
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    He wasn't under arrest. COm
    I am really looking forward to see what Sullivan rules.
     
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    I had a typo in there, I meant to say not under arrest.
     

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