Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House

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  1. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    From my perspective? Yes. Also, how should we evaluate a british news org who don't conform to US laws? And to put a super fine point on it, I don't have a political messiah, no matter how much you feel superior by suggesting it in that way. The fact that you've now had to recant and put in the supposition that Russia can support a candidate absent collusion is a pretty meaningless stretch when you demonstrably still use this information to attack both Trump and his (in your mind) supporters.

    It is interesting that given your theory that you didn't actually address the actual collusion then. Why are you willing to look past the potential actual crimes of Russian support of the Biden folks?
     
  2. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its impossible to recant something that was never said.

    This revelation (be it true or not) is not about collusion, it simply states that Russia helped Trump win. Collusion is another story, but not mutually exclusive.

    1. Russia wanted Trump to win and did everything in their power to make it happen
    2. Russia wanted Trump to win, and Trump worked with them to make it happen (collusion)

    This topic is about #1, but it does not mean that #2 didn't also happen, its just that #2 is not the topic.

    It has been addressed to death on threads dedicated to that topic.
     
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  3. Lucifer

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    Okay, I just want to be clear here.

    YOU are operating under the belief that Hitler was a Christian????
     
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    Hitler will have the last laugh against dead as doornail marxist antichrists.

    Hitler is now sleeping in Jesus and is coming back!

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    Lucifer Well-Known Member

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    Wow :roll::sad::sad::sick:
     
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    Manafort and others in Trump's campaign colluded. Trump likely knew about it but didn't leave evidence for investigators.
     
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    As I said, Hitler is now asleep in Jesus... awaiting his resurrection.

    For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again,
    we also believe that God will bring with Jesus
    those who have fallen asleep in Him.


    1 Thessalonians 4:14

    Asleep, in Jesus! blessed sleep,
    From which none ever wakes to weep!
    A calm and undisturbed repose,
    Unbroken by the last of foes.

    Margaret Mackay (1832)

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  8. Durandal

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    Gott mit uns!

    Come now, Tex. If Herr Schicklgruber were so beloved by the Almighty, wouldn't he at least have been successful establishing that Drittes Reich he was aiming for instead of having to kill himself in a bunker and have someone loyal to him destroy his corpse?
     
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    All you have done is affirmed my Atheism. Thank you.
     
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    You claim to know me from Pravda... yet apparently you paid no attention to what I posted about Hitler on Pravda.

    Hitler died from the July 20, 1944 assassination plot bombing... his death was covered up... and he is peacefully sleeping in Jesus in a place you could never find.

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    Of course I know you from Pravda, and you know me from Pravda. Doesn't mean I read every crazy thing you wrote or remember it now.

    So now you have just decided, based on no evidence, that Herr Schicklgruber died in the bomb assassination attempt. Pretty silly, but in line with how far removed from reality your views tend to be.

    At any rate, my observation still applies. You say he was beloved by the sky demon, yet he was allowed to die before his time after being allowed to fail spectacularly at creating his Drittes Reich. From a religious standpoint, it's hardly different from the spectacular failure of ancient Jewish messianic beliefs when, instead of getting their king and kingdom, they got their temple destroyed and their people scattered to the four winds.
     
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    Unless they can prove direct and conscious collaboration, who cares?
     
  13. Durandal

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    You don't think it's significant that a foreign country invested so much in influencing an American election and was actually somewhat successful at it?
     
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    If you had bothered to pay attention to what I posted on Pravda many times about Hitler's premature death... you would know that I also posted the analogy between Hitler and Israel's last righteous king, Josiah, who God blessed [see Isaiah 57:1] with a premature death [also via a battle wound] so King Josiah would peacefully sleep and not witness the coming evil destruction. The evil antichrist marxist destruction righteous Hitler had stood up against is waxing worse and worse worldwide.

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    But dirtbag Schicklgruber actually caused a lot of evil antichrist national socialist destruction and death. It's just a shame that he probably died quickly and on his own terms.
     
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    Looking at Obama's policies in Ukraine and Syria, it's normal to assume that Moscow would want a change in the same way that the EU wanted Biden to win. But to say Moscow would intervene the way we do in Russia and other countries with our NGO's for regime changes seems a bit far fetched. Sounds like a lot of paranoia and projection to me.

    So far I haven't seen Rubles being passed around to support Republican candidates, have you? Nor have I seen articles in Russian sites accusing Obama of corruption - which is the common regime change tactic of the CIA and Soros' NGO's.


    I should think if Moscow wanted anyone, it would have been Hillary since she could be bought so easily. All Putin would have had to do, is donate to her foundation.


    The blatant lie in the Guardian probably has a two fold reason. One is that they need the British public's support in case there's a sea battle between Britain and Russia. It's something that's been going on ever since the incident with the HMS Defender. Johnson wants to prove that Britain is still master over the world's seas, while at the same time bowing to the economic pressures imposed on Britain by the Ukrainian mafias.

    The second reason is to undermine Trump at a time when his rallies are drawing an enormous audience and the criminality of the last election is coming to light.


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    Poor Britannia! It no more rules the waves.
    They've fallen hard and have become

    the PC's latest slaves - Jeannette
     
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    Oh, that's right. Unless they do it in your full view, then it never happened.
     
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    Muh Russian Clooshun, you bet....lol...
     
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    Yep, plenty of dumb people believed that one too.
     
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    I know, the US Senate Intel committee, every US Intel agency and an extensive investigation run by Trump’s DOJ all fell for it, but it couldn’t get by Q and his followers....Muh, Muh, Muh....
     
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    I don't think the Ruble's value is exactly the same as the American dollar's value. Besides, Russia doesn't have a perpetual printing press. I would have added the euro to that, but I don't think the EU resorts to those tactics - but then again Merkel did give them out to the protesters at Maidan.




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    all the life long day.

    So we can merrily, merrily,
    merrily, merrily,

    spend our life away. - Jeannette
     
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    Amen to that.
     
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    So, do you know what this guy is talking about? I have never ever heard anyone claim Hitler was a Christian, although I sort of academically knew neo-Nazis believe this, I just never actually saw anyone type it out before.
     
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    Nah, Tejas lives in her own little world.
     
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    Pick your idiom: "A few sandwiches short of a picnic", "Bats in the belfry", "Not playing with a full deck", "Away with the fairies" ...
     
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