Left Opens War On All Religious Schools By Targeting Where Karen Pence Works

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    Your lack of education is showing, again.

    This isn't about the motivations of individuals to live in collectives (religious, family, or otherwise), it's about the mechanics of common purse. That you focused in on personal motives means you didn't like the bare bones of the actual thing. I get that .. few modern leftists have the first clue of what communism is and how it works.

    Worker owned cooperatives are not socialism/communism. They're privileged and unreliable children playing at 'equity' in a capitalist system. I'll wager none of these cooperatives will survive the protracted drain on productivity that will inevitably occur once people start deciding it's too hard. Or that they need time off to travel. Or that they really want to be a poet.
     
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    :roflol:

    Too bad FACTUAL REALITY continues to expose your dearth of subject matter knowledge.

    Mondragon is a successful multinational co-operative worth about $14 billion and it has been going for over 60 years now.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    sick how Conservatives are ok with schools circumventing the Civil Rights Act.
     
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  4. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

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    And now, look at how many are laid off. This is why the Left hates free markets, because we spot their bs, stop sending them traffic, and they have to let folks go.

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    THEY NEVER MAKE THESE DEMANDS OF MUSLIMS:

    Duke to Methodist Church: Change your beliefs for inclusivity.
     
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    Let's see how they go with funding unlimited welfare, and caring for a growing number of retirees. Or are they outsourcing those roles to govt? If they're paying such costs themselves, that demonstrates that they are a capitalist corporation producing surplus. And if they're leaving it to govt - they are nothing LIKE a collective. They are simply a corp like any other, which happens to have more than the usual number of invested employees. Either way ... they are Communism in the same way that a lamp shade is a space ship.
     
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    Holy Crap! Religion real does suck!
     
  9. Zorro

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    Can you imagine if Gillette made a commercial calling out any other grouping besides men?

    Imagine if they showed tattooed latinos and then complimented them for not joining gangs. Smiled approvingly when they chose not to steal hubcaps?

    I think maybe we have all had enough.
     
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    I’d much rather just round up all the religious students and file them away in creepy private schools. Sending them to public schools means I have to deal with their judgmental bs and their whining about victimization and their cries for safe spaces.

    We have enough LGBTQ filling that role as it is now!
     
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    You'd have to include Progressives in that cull. They're essentially religious.
     
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    Your point, while logical, still doesn’t address the fact that all your examples display significant level of hostility towards outsiders. Any one of them could be targeted with equal validity.

    While a great many people are perhaps purposefully targeting only Christians, you can’t dismiss the fact that, regardless of how awful some Muslims may behave toward outsiders, it’s not something we readily experience here in the US. Of course, modern Christianity’s offenses against civil rights in the world is nothing to those of Islam, but in the US alone, where Christianity is far more powerful than Islam, many people really do experience it’s offenses moreso than those of Islam.

    I’m not trying to excuse such actions, only point out that it’s not always simply political motives. I like to think humans—collectively at least—are a little more complicated than that.
     
  13. Zorro

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    Oh Horseshit. All is being requested is that our rights be as respected just as those of Islamic and Jewish schools are. In other words, can the Left mind their own business and do something useful with their time rather than attacking Ms. Pence because they pass judgement on her religious beliefs?
    Are you high? 9/11, both the first one and the follow up attack on our consulate in Libya. The marathon bombing, the Southern CA shootings, the Pulse nightclub shootings.
    The "offense" of believe differently than you do? Can you maybe just mind your own business and respect the rights of others?
     
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    You’re requesting your right to kick out homosexuals and even those who sympathize with homosexuals out of school be respected. I think that is a right that’s worth pointing out, even if it’s not as bad as other religious behavior around the world, that does get highlighted all the time.

    Who attacked Ms. Pence?

    Listen to you getting all personal over this. I must have hit a sore spot, but yes, Christianity has more influence in the US, so it stands to reason some people may feel it is more oppressive.

    Or are you suggesting Christianity isn’t more influential in the US than Islam?

    No, the offense of kicking out students who are homosexual or who even sympathize with homosexuals from the school. That’s a little more than just a difference is belief.

    I love that you’re asking for respect of the rights of others while defending a school policy of kicking out students for not believing like you do. You want us to respect your right to disrespect the rights of others. Yeah, you get to do that, legally, but you don’t get to have safe space for it free from any criticism.

    The entitlement coming from Christians in this thread is spilling over the sides.
     
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    That's untrue. Homosexuals are welcome active homosexuality and active heterosexuality is NOT, and the agreement by parents and students to abide by these guidelines is VOLUNTARY. So why are you sticking your big fat nose into it?
    Do you understand that you live in a free country, where the free exercise of one's religious beliefs and freedom of association is guaranteed as a foundational right. Where the hell did you get the idea that you are "oppressed" if someone believes and engages in practices that differ from your own?
     
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    Having you mind your own business and insisting that you respect the rights of your fellow citizens is not a special act of "entitlement", it's a foundational requirement that we all share.

    I Have Found The Boogey Person And The Boogey Person Is Karen Pence

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    Meet Karen Pence, the wife of Vice President Mike Pence. She's wholesome.

    But to the extreme Leftist's, she is the Boogey man or worse. Mrs. Pence recently went back to work, teaching art classes at Immanuel Christian. Admirable you would say. But not to Jessica Donovan, headmaster of Sheridan School, Washington, D.C.

    You see Ms Donovan does not want to produce well rounded young citizens. She would like her students to shun the deplorables, the modern day lepers of America.
    Nothing says I believe in diversity better than I will not associate with you in your gym!
     
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    I think we should go after both homophobic christian schools and homophobic islamic schools as well. The right is wrong to excuse Christian schools, and the left is wrong to ignore Islamic schools.
     
  18. Zorro

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    On what basis do you think the government can "go after" schools that enter into voluntary agreements with students (and their parents) to refrain from both homosexual and heterosexual BEHAVIOR as a condition of participation in a private association?

    Are you completely ignorant of our Bill of Rights?
     
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    Do you understand that we live in a free country, where the free proclamation of one’s opinions, even against religions, is guaranteed as a foundational right? It’s not easy wading through the irony of your responses.

    Wow! You’re acting like action has been taken against the school, like the government has stepped in to shut it down, or something. Someone wrote a story about it, and highlighted the fact that it happens. Oh no! What a crisis! It’s telling that that worries you, though.

    The culture of entitlement is ruining this country.
     
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    Such BS by a likely non-Christian poster. Both Lutheran and Episcopalians support gay rights, have Gay clergy including the Lutheran bishop of Los Angeles and perform same-sex marriages. Hard-core Catholic and Bible-belt extremists look so foolish when anthopathical science clearly shows sexual orientation. One can always count on Republicans to promote ignorance/ bigotry/ hate and why we don't vote for Republicans in California. Too stupid to take seriously.

    The archbishop of Sweden is lesbian. Bishop Erwin is married to a man and leads the Lutheran Synod of LA.

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    :roflol:

    Failure to do any subject matter research glaringly obvious once again.

    Mondragon pays a PENSION equal to 40% of the salary of the member upon retirement.
     
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    A lot of people who are crippled inside look normal on the surface.
     
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    Cool. That's good, for today. Let's see how they go when a percentage of their shareholders decide they don't want to work any more. And when the pension load is greater than the salary load. Both are inevitable, and mutually exclusive. And definitely not 'socialism'.
     
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    CNN advocated pulling her Secret Service Protection because of her choice to teach at this school! That's a lot more than merely voicing an opinion, they were advocating greatly elevating her risk for violent murder because these idiots disapprove of where she works!
     
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    Yeah, so? That’s just King’s opinion. It’s not action. He has no authority to commit such an act.

    Again, no one is actually doing anything except maybe offering criticism and suffering what they think should be done, even if their suggestion, as in the case with King, is completely unconstitutional.

    Besides, he was quickly shot down for his stupid comment, as he ought to have been, but that doesn’t mean he has no right to say it. The government has no right to implement such a policy.
     

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