"Leftist" asks this guy when was America great and....

Womp womp

 

How well were black sharecroppers doing in the Jim Crow South in the 1950's? Or homosexuals who could be imprisoned or committed in every state? Or women who didn't want to have their life defined by marriage, children, and housework? How was it for Hispanics in almost everywhere in America?

 

For straight white Protestant Christian males*

 

1. Your black ancestors could vote just fine after the CW and in the entirety of the 20th century... so long as they voted Democrat... else they, like lots of noncompliant white folks, faced the militant branch of the Democratic Party, the KKK, and its lynching tree. The Democrat KKK lynched over 1000 noncompliant white people too, and today run the same plantations they always have just as vote buying under the guise of welfare and its rot of intergenerational dependency.

2. It is a very good thing the 13th and 14th Amendments were passed. As you will find in any ConLaw class in any law school, most of the class is devoted to those amendments as the crowning achievement of the Constitutional Republic. Again, you can rejoice in that, or live in the increasingly distant past in terms of your own lifespan and whine like a widdy baby. Choice is entirely yours.

 

Whites were never chattel slaves in America. Indentured servitude is not chattel slavery.

 

Yeah, why did those Southern Conservatives try so hard to suppress the vote and other rights of non-whites?

 

Split more hairs, convinces no one. My ancestors came here as chattel slaves, regardless of whether permanent or for a term of years, and THOUSANDS of my ancestors (and yours and all of ours) were conscription/impressment slaves over the centuries, the worst form of slavery by far. Sorry, but for anyone who has even a basic grasp of human history, the African Black experience of slavery in America is no worse than what happened to anyone's ancestors... before the Constitutional Republic.

The net and its instant access to accurate information about all our pasts is making the truth of history apparent to common people more and more every day... and also making apparent the arrogant, childish posturing of the black grievance industry.

Blacks are waking up and leaving the identity politics and grievance industry plantations by the tens of thousands, and that's a great thing for all Americans, just as it's a bad thing for you and yours and your failed collectivist ideology that desperately needs to keep blacks down.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disenfranchisement_after_the_Reconstruction_Era

Poll taxes, literacy tests and grandfather clauses were some of the things used to prevent blacks from voting back then.

Again, thanks for doing that. Almost a whole century later.

 

There is no "conservative" political ideology or Party, and never has been in the United States. Trying to convert the racist past of the very real Democratic Party and its militant KKK branch into "conservatives" is the most transparent form of historical hoax. Keep doing it though, because every time you do it nails another nail in the coffin of mindless, revisionist "progressive" regressive politics among thinking people with actual knowledge of history.

 

I call it like I see it.

 

How is it splitting hairs?

Black were chattel slaves. They could be legally murdered, tortured, raped, any children they had would be slaves in perpetuity.

NONE of those things applied to white indentured servants.

Your ancestors were not chattel slaves. Your claim they were is both a lie and an insult to those Americans whose ancestors actually were chattel slaves.

Pray tell, how many of your conscripted ancestors were raped and then had the children of that rape become slaves by default for their entire lives?

 

Really? There's no conservatives in American politics?

So since you are claiming that the Southern Democrats and the KKK were "progressives", you can of course show how they supported increased Federal power, opposed states rights, opposed traditional morality, opposed traditional societal structures, etc, correct?

 

You're free to leave and provide a better life for yourself in your ancestral Homeland.

 

I could do that, but my birth certificate says I'm from here so I'll stay.

Although at least the "ancestral homeland" is upfront and honest about its history and not downplayed by racist white folks.

 

You do know that there are lots of places in Africa that would be functionally identical to places in America, right? Cities with gated communities, shopping malls, big box style grocery and consumer stores, etc, right?

 

Not if they stayed on the plantation and voted Democrat, but those same poll taxes and literacy tests affected my -white- ancestors too. The black grievance industry and left loves to perpetuate a fantasy that common white men have had rights throughout the centuries that they did not in fact have. Just another of the left's big whoppers.

Fact is, when Washington was inaugurated, only 6% of the population could vote, and common white men did not have universal voting until the middle 19th century. To restate, this is completely understandable, because they had no idea whether or not allowing common people to vote would collapse the government. Another favorite pastime of ignorant leftists is viewing the world of the past through present-colored glasses wrongfully. Telling as to how their political views get as warped as they do.

 

I didn't do squat, unlike you I don't live in the past. My male ancestors got the vote about 40 years before yours did if that. My female ancestors got the vote after your male ancestors did. In 40 years will the black grievance industry stop whining? Probably not.

 

Yes, except no. Fact of the matter is if you weren't white, you couldn't vote. Even foreign-born white men could vote before minorities could.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_voting_rights_in_the_United_States

 

Unlike you I acknowledge our past is extremely flawed and people who claim "we were always great" are completely full of sh1t.

 

Crystal clear, try to keep up and reply to what was posted instead of making things up. There is no "conservative" political ideology historically, and there has never been a mainstream "Conservative Party" in U.S. politics (who knows what some fringe irrelevant party may have named themselves?) The reasons for this are simple, as I have posted to this forum many times. Political shorthand terms like "conservative," "progressive," "liberal" are things you probably don't understand called "abstractions." They are useful only in the -now- for distinguishing political platforms in the -now-.

Rest of your post is a straw man, not surprised.

 

America is undoubtedly the greatest nation in the world and always has been. She should stay that way and not be polluted and led astray by those seeking to restore a former greatness which has went away when in fact we simply improved to keep up with the times, which times we were the main cause of their improving. America not only leads the world but we set the bar higher as we go . It is an inherent American characteristic that we are never self-satisfied but always strive to be better. Make America Great Again is an Un-American sentiment at its core, implying that we should look to the past and try to restore a mythical state which never existed when true Americanism looks always to make good things better in the future.

 

Yes, and even by using the definitions of the time (most of which still apply today), the Democrats of the South and the KKK were conservatives.

They most definitely weren't progressives, by the definition of the time or now.

 

A past that leads to the relatively free state of my and your self-determined, luxurious life in the now is far from "extremely flawed," and that's what matters to all our actual lives. Once again, read history, don't dwell in it. That's a lesson most adults have learned that seems to escape the U.S. black grievance industry.

Anyway, done bumping this poor excuse of a typical, whiny grievance industry thread.

 

Since that time was "far from extremely flawed", you wouldn't mind a return to the policies of those times, yes? If not, why not? They aren't extremely flawed per you.

 

I've read my history and nothing about says we were "great" from the start like the guy in the video suggests, at least for non-white folks. Anyone who thinks this is lying to themselves.

Native Americans definitely didn't think it was great that they lost nearly all of their land and tribes.