Made in USA: Bringing manufacturing jobs back to the homeland

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  1. ronv

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    And if you are going to tariff every low cost supplier out of business. You are an isolationist. :)
     
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    Trump is using tarrifs to force china into agreeing to a free and fair trade policy. Once the playing field is level may the best man win.
     
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    What makes you think anyone else - lets say India- will be any different?
    They are "stealing" our IT jobs as you type.
     
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    It was clear what I said; you cannot make your arbitrary environmental demands on China and others, with the caveat that they either comply or we stop doing business with them, UNTIL, all US businesses doing business in China and other areas, have options to sustain their current supply channels! It's called 'cutting off your nose to spite your face'! If it's even possible at all, how long do you believe it would take a company like Apple to relocate their business ventures away from China? You obviously won't have the answer to this question...
     
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    Because trump hasn't said anything bad about India. DUH!! These idiot trumpers can't think for themselves.
     
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    We can't stop automation, but we can make trade fairer. First cell phone was made by Motorola, and I believe the first memory chips are also American.
     
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    Apple has already close a factory in China and is moving it here. About 5 other companies too.

    Asked in 2016 if he would bring his billions in off shore billions home, he said no.( .Apple CEO Says Company Won't Bring Home Money Parked ...

    https://www.forbes.com/.../08/17/apple-ceo-says-company-wont...

    Aug 17, 2016 · Apple CEO Says Company Won't Bring Home Money Parked Overseas Until Tax Rates Are 'Fair'. Tech giant Apple is hoping that the United States' tolerance for pain is a little bit lower than mine. In an interview with The Washington Post last week, Apple CEO Tim Cook discussed his tenure at Apple and, not surprisingly,...

    But after Trump's tax cuts

    Newscentermaine.com | Why Apple is bringing billions back home
    www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/nation-now/...
    A second corporate campus, an additional 20,000 workers and a $350 billion commitment. That's Apple's pledge to the U.S. As the tech giant announced a sweeping set of moves Wednesday to bring back billions of its offshore cash and spur economic growth. The plan also includes paying $38 billion in taxes. Plus Creates 2,000 jobs shifting production back to US ...
    https://www.theguardian.com/tec.../2013/nov/05/apple-creates...
    Apple creates 2,000 jobs shifting production back to US ... Engineering and construction jobs at a new plant in ... The first Macintosh computer made in America since ...



    Hasbro is to start making play-doh in the U.S. Again.

    U.S. Hasbro, Inc. Is returning to the U.S. And will make the beloved children’s modeling clay in a Massachusetts factory rather than in China or Turkey.




    Newscentermaine.com | Why Apple is bringing billions back home
    www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/nation-now/...
    A second corporate campus, an additional 20,000 workers and a $350 billion commitment. That's Apple's pledge to the U.S. As the tech giant announced a sweeping set of moves Wednesday to bring back billions of its offshore cash and spur economic growth. The plan also includes paying $38 billion in taxes.


    Stanley Black and Decker closing China plant.... Moving to Texas
    https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/stanley-black-and-decker-closing-china-plant-moving-to/83525376/ · Jun 21, 2019

    Chinese Co, moving to Ohio
    His company, Fuyao Glass, has invested over $1 billion stateside, according to the Post, the most significant move of which is opening its U.S. Factory in the Ohio town of Moraine, a suburb of Dayton, back in October. The glass maker is re-purposing the town’s former General Motors assembly that had been standing empty since late 2008, as the Dayton Daily News reports.

    According to Ohio TV station WDTN, the plant now employs a workforce of almost 2,000, and Cao expects that the fully operational facility will employ up to 3,000 workers.

    https://fortune.com/2016/12/22/us-china-manufacturing-costs-investment/




    Tianyuen Garments Co.
    In October of last year, Tianyuan Garments Co. Acquired a defunct 100,000-square foot metal fabrications plant in Little Rock, Arkansas and announced a $20 million investment that will make them the first Chinese manufacturing company to manufacture clothing in the US. The company is refurbishing the facility set to open later this year and plans to employ 400 workers to produce clothes for brands like Adidas, Reebok, and Armani.

    Sun Paper Industry
    Another big announcement from a Chinese manufacturing company in the past year is from Chinese paper products maker, Sun Paper Industry. They recently announced a $1 billion investment that will create 250 US jobs at their new bio-products mill in South Arkansas.

    Local and state governments in the US are able to offer incentives to foreign companies that tip the scales in favor of moving from China to the US. Many Chinese manufacturing companies are now realizing that the lower transportation costs and taxes are making it more profitable to do business in North America than in Asia. As the trend grows, the Chinese companies who provide so many manufactured goods to the North American market are finding that employing American workers is the most profitable method of production.



    Tariffs are forcing Big Tech to move production out of China
    https://www.engadget.com/2019/06/12/tech-companies-move-manufacturing-china-trade-wars
    Jun 12, 2019 · Tariffs are forcing Big Tech to move production out of China Though China previously warned against cooperating with US trade restrictions. Christine Fisher , @cfisherwrites
     
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    Obviously you couldn't make this new trade deal retroactive or immediate. The new fair trade deal would have to phase in over a year or two which would give companies time to resource and give offending countries time to impose and enforce new environmental regulations to meet the new trade deals requirements.
     
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    Few companies are planning to move completely out of China. Doing so would prove particularly disruptive for America’s industrial and technology heavyweights that rely on the Chinese manufacturing base as critical parts of their supply chains. China still makes roughly 25% of all manufactured goods around the world — in part because of the difficulty in finding a sufficient workforce on other countries’ factory floors.

    Most businesses reducing business in China are doing so not because of the tariffs but because of all the uncertainty and volatility.

    For decades, global companies have been stalking options around the world for less expensive labor and materials and other benefits. Companies were smaller which made it easier to close shop in one area and open shop in another area. Today companies like Apple and autos and others don't have this luxury overnight...moving these larger companies might take several years if it's even possible to move them.

    And don't forget, places like China, Mexico, Canada, India, Asia and others are not just exporting to the US...the US is exporting to all of these areas as well! These silly political tariff wars are jeopardizing US exports to huge consumer markets.
     
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    US and foreign companies can only do so much their own and when government intervenes with political demands, it makes no difference if the timeframe is today or 10 years from now. The US has backed out of any climate talks, the president doesn't even believe in climate change, and this president or any future president can simply change their minds down the road. This is the problem with politics driven policy...many refuse to react, many are slow to react, and when we're talking about billion$ be jockeyed from nation to nation, companies are going to be extremely cautious...
     
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    You confuse c!image change with pollution. We have strict pollution standards and shouldn't lose jobs to other countries because they don't have to adhere to the expensive pollution standards we do. That should be part of any trade deal.
     
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    I dont think the common person really understands how powerful todays AI systems are, and the potential they have to wreck the stable job market.
     
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    There's no doubt about it, AI and automation will drastically change our job market. Just like the power loom, the mechanized plow, and the internal combustion engine.
     
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    America has depended on cheap Mexican or Latino farm labor for decades, & producers aren't willing to pay the minimum wages necessary for any worker to support a family. So, Americans themselves find it impossible to work for those low wages & pay for expensive child care too. Your rush to judgement that workers rather collect welfare is both unnecessarily cynical, & wrong.
     
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    Your president is cancelling all the pollution standard requirements...
     
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    Don't get all doom and gloom...automation is expensive and best used in repetitive high volume scenarios. As labor gets more expensive, or is unavailable, or presents other problems, this encourages a look at automation. We have the technology to automate most jobs but it's not always practical or cost effective, or doable. And remember automation can't put everyone out of work since without consumers we won't have automation...
     
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    Just not true but Rachel probably said it so you believe it
     
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    According to a study by the National Foundation for American Policy, the tariffs set to go into effect by the end of 2019 will cost American households $2,031 per year.

    In addition, the American taxpayer will be forced to pay farmers devastated by his trade war.

    Trump's welfare program for farmers harmed by his war are 159% of the revenues raised by Trump's tariffs levied through June, 2019.

    In May, 2019, Trump announced another $16 billion for farmers as part of his ongoing entitlement program.

    https://nfap.com/wp-content/uploads...ulations.NFAP-Policy-Brief.September-2019.pdf


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    Trump’s sudden escalation of the trade war with China last month triggered a telephone call from billionaire casino owner Sheldon Adelson, who warned about the conflict’s impact on the U.S. economy and Trump’s re-election prospects, according to people familiar with the call.

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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/sheldon-adelson-warned-trump-about-impact-of-u-s-china-trade-war-11569174124
     
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    I didn't think I was being doom and gloom at all. Quite the opposite. Those inventions are generally regarded as boons for humanity.
     
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    There are pros and cons to everything and many times these vary because of varying perspectives at the people and business levels. A significant amount of automation is required in order to deal with higher technology and more complex designs. CAD systems allow us to create more complex designs most of which require automation to produce. Automation is a natural progression in manufacturing, and as you say, it is generally regarded as a boon to society...
     

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