Made in USA: Bringing manufacturing jobs back to the homeland

Crime in America has been dropping for years even mass shootings.

 

I've addressed that subject in a thread on that subject. I know you'd like to distract from your support of China's pollution in order to sell us cheap goods but I won't bite.

 

Just sayin.. Your buying into it.

 

Can't have a discussion if we can't discuss facts...

 

Get back with us in about one year and share your graph...

 

Thanks for admitting that you have no evidence for your claims now, and I understand your hope that you might find some in another year.

 

The poorer areas that export dirty work to the USA and others is not their fault...they are poor! They are developing! They are experiencing right and wrong. They will eventually do better as we see in China. US companies outsource their dirty work to these poorer nations while claiming their US businesses are becoming greener. And you don't need to go back too far in American history to remember that US businesses were, and still are today, polluting the USA. Just as the US has improved some so will all the others. If you have a gripe about foreign polluters then file your complaint with US businesses who continue to outsource from those areas...

 

I have given you factual information but you are hell-bent down your own path...great for you so go push your stuff on others who are in total agreement with you no matter facts...

 

So what...fact remains no matter how some hate Mexicans and others, the southern border of the USA is doing just fine...

 

Good idea and we will address it by a trade deal stating we will import no goods from foreign countries that don't meet our manufacturing environmental standards which means china will have to clean up or lose market in America

 

You have no facts to show that US consumers are facing tariff driven inflation, because there is no such evidence. Now you are attempting to retrench and claim that in another year you might have evidence.

 

And what do we do when China cashes in all the American debt they have bought up in order to stabilize their economy?

 

Sounds like you think we are chinas bitch and have to do whatever china says. Your attitude is rather disgusting and you also have unfounded fears.

"Even if China wished to “call in” its loans, the use of credit as a coercive measure is complicated and often heavily constrained. A creditor can only dictate terms for the debtor country if that debtor has no other options. In the case of the United States, American debt is a widely-held and extremely desirable asset in the global economy. Whatever debt China does sell is simply purchased by other countries. For instance, in August 2015 China reduced its holdings of U.S. Treasuries by approximately $180 billion. Despite the scale, this selloff did not significantly affect the U.S."

https://chinapower.csis.org/us-debt/

 

It's not this simple. US businesses and millions of jobs depend on world trade. You cannot demand what you wish without ruining the US economy. What you wish is idealistic but in practicality it might take 20-30 years or more to meet whatever arbitrary environmental standards you wish to demand. And remember whatever foreign standards you dream up must also apply to all US businesses. In 20-30 years, except for dirty essential work, most nations will already be well on their way to doing better than they do today. You don't realize that if you make demands on China and China experiences significant losses...so will the US...

 

Wrong...I have given you facts and it's not me looking for evidence...it is you who will find tariffs after enough time passes will show the inflation they are causing. NOTHING is free!! American consumers and companies are paying for Trump's tariff debacle...

 

Why do you think America can meet "arbitrary environmental standards " but China can't meet them too. They should have to play by the same rules as we do or our environmental standards do nothing but move pollution to China. Make them abide by the same standards as we do. It's good for our economy and good for the world's pollution problem. Or is it that you want cheap goods and don't care about the environment?

 

Greed did play a part in moving plants abroad, but it was also greed here too, along with Free Trade. The American auto unions almost put the big three out of business with their high demands. When the foreign companies came over here they put out great cars and loaded them down. American manufactures couldn't match them for the price, so they used cloth instead of leather. Four speed trany instead of six speed. Left off nice extras. Cars sat on the lots. Big discounts in order to get rid of them. That only put them farther behind and gave the foreign makes a big chunk of the auto market we once dominated.

Then we had manufactures here asked to put out good wages, health care and benefits and compete with a plant in China making the same product, but paying a lot less wages, less taxes, regulations and benefits. How do they do that? So they move to China and everyone gets pissed off and calls them greedy.

Free Trade is good, it help to keep prices down, but it also keeps wages and benefits down. Make no mistake about that. Deregulation has done the same thing. It brought down wages by increasing competition, but it was a big union killer and held down wages and benefits.

 

China and India are the two biggest polluters and they are exempt from the Paris accords till 2030. China is building hundreds of coal fired plants in many countries around the world.

 

At least on this we can agree on something. Free trade is good generally for the world at hand. It tends to NOT be good for the countries higher up the technological and social food chains though.

 

This is absurd. Free trade is helping us at least as much as it's helping China. That's the beauty of free trade - it benefits everyone.

 

If your a developed nation and you want to continue to grow, free trade is the only way to do it. You trade your high tech for their low tech.

 

Like the U.S.for instance

 

Japan has also found that to be true. We at first lost much of our manufacturing to them. Now they have lost much of theirs to China and other Asian nations.

 

That's the way it used to be but now China stole are high tech and is selling that to us too