Man Catcalls Women During Anti-Catcalling Report

I read that De Blasio is trying to get drafted. I guess in progressive world, you request the draft but in the real world the draft is something that happens to you... I think he's going to be disappointed,

 

I worked with a woman that did...she liked the fact that she could make men walk into walls.

 

uhhhh, in the real world, it's up to the guy to initiate a conversation with a pretty girl. Some were on there not taking a hint, or yelling "daaammmmmmnnnnn", but simply introducing yourself to a pretty girl is NOT accosting her or sexually harrassing her. If she's not interested and you continue, that's different. If she's not interested, or has a boyfriend, and the guy moves on, like some of the guys in that video (that she still counted as harrassing her)

 

why would anyone support catcalling, yes we liberals support your "right" to do it.... but it doesn't make it "right" to do it

 

as I've said before in this thread... catcalling is a result of not having any other "opening lines". It exposes a man's "game"

But to make it a crime is asinine. "no, I wasn't whistling at you, I was whistling for a cab.... or that doggie over there I saw"

There are much worse things in life people deal with everyday than someone you aren't interested in finding you attractive.

 

I agree with you, it should not be a crime, but doesn't mean it's a good thing for people to do

 

I suspect that if a gay man acted in the same way towards some of these guys are defending "cat calling", we'd be talking about assault and murder rather than internet campaigns.

 

I have been hit on by gay guys quite a few times. And shockingly, I didn't assault or murder any of them. I told them I wasn't gay and moved on.


Now, had they continued pushing it, or got upset because they thought I teased them by being in a gay bar (hanging out with a bouncer friend and getting free well drinks), and a fight occured, it wouldn't have been because I was "homophobic" or "beat him because he was gay".... it would have simply been a bar fight over the gay being a dumbass.


you see, straights can get into fights with gays and it not be for homophobic, hatecrime reasons, despite what your agenda cliffnotes say

 

I wasn't talking about "being hit on", I was talking about the cat-calling and harassment that is the topic of the thread. The point is that these guys would object much more strongly if they were the target of the unwanted attention rather than the source.

I never suggested otherwise. Anything about homophobia or hate exists entirely within your own head here (or maybe your own cliffnotes).

 

introducing yourself to a pretty girl is not "catcalling" though

 

No, catcalling is catcalling. "Introducing yourself" to a complete stranger on the street just because you find them pretty ranges from a little odd through to harassment depending on the specifics. None of this make the blindest bit of difference to my point - I don't believe the people supporting this kind of thing would feel the same way if they were the unwilling subjects rather than the instigators.

 

Sure. It's also up to the guy to have a clue about whether or not "now" is an appropriate time for doing so.

It'd be one thing if it was an occasional thing. But that's not necessarily the case. Do you think it's perfectly okay for a woman walking down the street to have 20 guys each trying to "introduce" themselves? That makes going to the store the equivalent of running the gauntlet -- a long series of unwanted personal encounters.

Catcalling is like cold-calling -- a "sales pitch" with an extremely low chance of success, that is experienced as harassment by most recipients.

Where did you get the idea it had been made into a crime?

The signs aren't being put up by the city; they're being put up by a clothing company.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/no-cat...-city-aim-to-curb-street-harassment-1.3036851

 

My wife backpacked through Spain and Portugal in her 20s. In Portugal, any unaccompanied woman -- and especially blond American women -- were viewed as, at best, available, and at worst, prostitutes. Everywhere she went, men were hooting at her, trying to talk to her, asking for dates. It was not pleasant. It was not welcoming. It was scary and demeaning, because these men were looking at her as meat, not a person.

Her memories of Portugal are forever mixed -- beautiful country full of asshat men.

 

And it would never occur to you that women dress nice for other reasons besides men's approval. Like because they enjoy nice clothes and a nice hairdo, enjoy looking professional at work, have high self esteem, they enjoy looking good.

Some men are so egocentric that they think women exist just for them to judge, that's really stupid and so are the rude men who whistle and yell...

Just because a woman looks good is not an excuse to be rude and crude.

 

What about Gaston?? The beast was no beta either, he laid down the law like some kind of abusive jerk needing to be changed by the right woman.

I mean, cat-calling just doesn't work and I've never felt inclined to do it because I see the look women get on their faces when somebody does, but I think it's kind of sad that women are so put off by it. It's just a compliment on your looks from a guy so dumbfounded by your beauty that he can't even manage to speak coherently, or maybe he's just dumb. Just because somebody compliments your looks doesn't mean you don't have other good qualities too. Or is it the intimidation?

Why would positive attention be a negative thing? Just smile and keep walking.

Weird, she's not even that cute. And her manner as she walked - pure ice. She won't even return a friendly hello.

 

If you have any sort of corporate job you can't do that sort of thing at work...cat call a woman. Maybe construction workers and truck drivers can get away with it, but it doesn't fly in the white collar World. You'll be talking to HR pleading for your job if you so much as leer the wrong way at a female in an office, and she complains about it.

 

Sure , SOME women enjoy that crap but "SOME" women are not ALL women...to ASSume that an attractive woman is only attractive to get male attention is just a sign of an over bloated male ego.


Do you or the other "Women Are Fair Game" members ever ask yourself WHY some men feel they must do this?

 

Women are under no obligation to smile ......or return "hellos' from strangers.


What makes some men feel they need to pass judgement on women in a vocal manner? To show off to their buddies that they're "real" men??

 

Obligation? Not talking about legal obligations here. But it would be the kind and courteous thing to do. It's what a nice person would do if they weren't in a huge hurry.

Well we're not talking about shouting "COW" at the nearest fat person, we're talking about giving somebody a compliment. For the record, I've never done a cat call. But as far as I can tell it's PATHETIC women are offended by it.

 

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Being rude or even obnoxious isn't a crime, nor should it be considered one. We have enough stupid laws on the books we certainly do not need to invent more. If the woman is truly being accosted or harassed/stalked, that is all together different than an occasional wolf whistle, or "hiya gorgeous (or similar comment)". Stop trying to associate one thing with another.

 

My opinion of "cat calling" is that it is lowbrow behavior. Of course some will interpret that is that I somehow think better of myself than someone who whistles at a passing stranger...the fact is, I hold myself to higher standards of behavior.

Would I want my sister or niece hollered at?

My sister in particular...developed rather early in life, and I was witness to men...adult grown ass men...whistling at her...at the time a 13 year old girl. This made her very uncomfortable. It made me uncomfortable for her. I don't wake up in the morning thinking my opinion of a lady is going to make or break her day...like whistling is going to brighten her day. "Someone noticed." Perhaps some women like it, but my guess is, most find it uncomfortable.

 

Nor did I suggest any kind of obligation period. That women in the video was counting people saying hello to her as harassing her, and that was ridiculous. She was cold and rude towards them, and they were just being friendly people. They are friendly. She is rude. I've been on both sides of that myself. End of story.

I think it is like the little kid part. The guy sees someone he finds attractive and he wishes he could make a connection with her, but he has no creative lines and no basis for interaction, so he just makes a noise. In some cases he thinks well at least she knows she's beautiful, and in other cases it's sort of a desperate half-hearted pick-up attempt. I don't see how it would be showing off to pals, but being in the company of pals does add courage. Same reason drunk guys do it more.

I dunno, depends on why they did it. If it was the half-hearted pick-up, yeah it's kind of pathetic. If it's the compliment, then no.

hahaha me sexist? First time I've been called that. No but it's nice when people can be courteous and accept compliments graciously.

Look if a woman hooted at me and I flipped her off, I'd be a jerk. Similarly, women are being jerks for getting upset over cat calls.