You quoted this: ""Yes, SOME women. And what do those men do ? Interview the woman first to see if she's the type who doesn't mind? No, they just ASSume they have the right to decide for her. And who decides how far is too far? Men? NOPE! Women, and some have said it's gone too far. """" ...and didn't address it (?) Of course men never give thought to the fact that the woman may suffer repeated idiocy from every insecure man on her way to work every day.
Couldn't answer.....that's OK , it's probably things you have never heard of before, the woman's point of view.
aaawwwww, being too pretty must suck huh? Having your choice of gentlemen callers? I understand when a polite "no, not interested" or a "sorry, I already have a boyfriend/husband" is met with hostility, or repeated attempts..... that is completely different than considering an initial attempt at introductions, even awkward introductions that will never work or from ugly guys, is not, and should not be criminalized. but one thing you fail to address is the old addage.... "********s finish first, nice guys finish...... in the shower" if pretty girls didn't go for the ******** as much as they do, rude arrogant pricks wouldn't attempt to talk to a girl that way. I got laid a lot more (in my single days) by being a complete (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) nozzle to girls than I ever did being a nice guy. I got slapped in the face a lot , but also got laid alot too.
What arrogance is this? You presume to speak for all women? No, I've met plenty of sweet, caring, intelligent women who don't bristle at the thought of a stranger saying hello to them, or have contempt for somebody because they're tired of being complimented by people they see as beneath them. There's a reason feminism got a bad name, and you've demonstrated it.
It's called walking in someone elses shoes. Say I need groceries, nothing big... and it's a nice day I decide to walk to the store. On the way, a few guys in cars whistle at me...yell "hey baby" "you are soooo fine." Remember I'm just going to the store. In real life, no one is going to yell at me...I'm a middle aged guy, with average looks. I can go just about anywhere and no one is going to holler at me, or whistle. Putting myself in someone elses shoes, and their real life, maybe they do get hollered at, approached, or whatever by complete strangers...mostly men. Day in and day out. What may seem like innocent flirting is probably a hassle to them because by walking in their shoes, it would sure be a hassle to me. Why am I obligated to holler back at every stranger who comments on my looks? Why am I labeled a "(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)?" or "cold;" for simply wanting to go buy some groceries on a nice day and not seeking social interaction beyond this. Raytri, commented his wife backpacked in Portugal and was harrassed quite a few times. Well, I rented a motorcycle years ago and spent a couple weeks traveling in Europe...I was never cat called, never whistled at, people respected my space. Why the need to disrespect someone's space for simply being an attractive female?
So it's "sweet, caring, intelligent women " who don't bristle at rudeness....and you don't think you're sexist? No, your test of "sweet, caring, intelligent" is how much abuse they'll take from men unlike those meanie feminists who set their own rules and ignore The Royal Male's rules... Oh, look at the disturbance I cause by upsetting the tunnel vision of males ...always enjoyable..... Now, be nice, smile and wish me a lovely day ........
Again not defending the actions of guys who act this way but it is the women who like it who perpetuate this type of behavior. Maybe the women should be mad at the women who encourage such behavior so that some guys think it is appropriate. Wait, women know women and they hate them already. Here is a funny page; read the replies at the bottom, most of the worse ones are from women; http://www.pointsincase.com/columns/nathan/4-12-06.htm
Exactly. Love the men on here who, on being told that many women don't like catcalls, respond by saying women SHOULD like it.
I mean, you must be right when it comes to why they don't like it. I remember dating this girl who actually disliked physical compliments, because she has heard them constantly throughout her life and feels like a piece of meat. I think most guys can't imagine getting too much attention, so when they 'put themselves in the girls shoes" they imagine she must love it, because he would love to get that kind of attention from women.
noone has said that. your deliberate misrepresentation of that shows you are more interested in pushing feminazi agenda, than actually harrassment, whjich requires repitition of behavior
That's just it. I think it's hard to imagine how it's rude or disrespectful. Saying hello in particular. Guys I don't know sometimes say hello to me if our gazes happen to overlap, and the courteous thing to do is to acknowledge him and continue with my business. There's no rule that I must do this, but if I do both myself and this other guy will have a more pleasant day. If you think cat calls are "abuse," you have no perspective whatsoever.
If you think cat calls are hellos or hellos are catcalls you're very confused. But , no, woman are NOT obligated to say hi to everyone who says hi to them, (NEITHER are men).....WHERE do you get these weird ideas....I can see it when I lived in a small town and if you didn't know the person who said hello you knew their friends or relatives...but to be forced to acknowledge every male who addresses you is just plain nuts...Do men really think women have nothing better to do than walk around like a bobble head smiling and nodding at everyone who thinks she should smile and talk to them??? Total sexism.
For the nth time, I don't know where you're getting the idea that I think anybody has any kind of obligations. I had previously expressed that it doesn't make sense to me that women don't like cat calls - I intellectually understand now why you don't, but still find it perplexing. It's not like I have to understand, but I wanted to. And I had also suggested that it would be better for them to be kind to strangers. But it's true that nobody has any kind of obligation to smile at strangers, to be kind to them, to accept compliments graciously, to help them when they ask for directions, to accept meeting a stranger. But would the world be a more pleasant place if people did do these things more often? Sure. Edit: I mean, I guess intent matters most to me. Perhaps there's some level of ignorance on the part of guys who use cat calls, but they're not trying to be mean or rude. Their intent is not nefarious, and the misunderstanding that results seems to be from having very different courting experiences, i.e. feeling like one always needs to be the pursuer, versus always feeling over-pursued.