Mass killings by president

In fact it's your own silly posts which are 'hate filled' and self delusional. Most others get along just fine without the hyperbole.

 

I'm a firm believer in speed limiters because, and you may have heard this before in a firearm context "If it saves the life of just one child, it's worth it".
Problem is that the auto and tobacco companies both simply keep lobbying the Government to look the other way while they kill thousands with the standard rhetoric of, "Any regulations will be bad for the economy and cost jobs".

 

To clarify, that is arresting for being illegal.
Not if caught in a regular, more normal crime.

I donated $7K to help my wrongfully deported friend back into America.
Their Latino Legal Aid group owned by Chinese didn't do anything for him.
Not only did I donate, I found them the Mean, Jew Lawyer they needed.

Why should Californians pay the tab for Federal Border Failures.
And the Federals go after the good ones.
The home owner. Tax payer. Family supporting types.
They don't shoot back
As one leaves their home in the morning to go to work, or pick up their kid at school,
the Federals nab him.
Why aren't the Federals going after the truly criminal illegals?


Security, 360 degrees. Physical, electronic, with
Rapid deployment and return to the other side.
Reagan Amnesty all inside with no police records, and have conducted
themselves as (if) good citizens.


BTW are the most likely to over stay their visa!

 

America did what it did and the entire world knows. It was american wasps who cleansed the land and stole children from their families for incarceration into de-Indianization boarding schools well into the mid 20th century.

You'd howl bloody murder if it had been white kids.

True, you used your "god" and your religion to rationalize and sanction genocide, that's where "exceptionalism" takes folks, into the depths of savagery itself.

"The most divisive issue during the Governor John Evans administration was what has been termed the "Sand Creek Massacre." By 1864 the Plains Indians had virtually shut down most of Colorado's overland trails, attacked travelers, and frightened the new settlers. Major Edward Wynkoop, after an encounter with Chief Black Kettle of the Southern Cheyenne tribe, attempted to discuss peace on the banks of the Smoky Hill River. The success of this meeting led to another one with Governor Evans who somewhat vaguely and noncommittally agreed that these Native Americans should be protected under the United States Flag. Previously, Evans had established an Indian-fighting regiment under Colonel John Chivington, who was eager to teach the Indians a lesson. After Wynkoop was relieved of his peacemaking duties, Major Scott Anthony took command of Fort Lyon. Colonel Chivington assembled his troops and joined with others at Fort Lyon. When the governor left the Territory for a visit to Washington, Chivington shattered the fragile peace created by Wynkoop by attacking a Cheyenne Indian camp at Sand Creek at dawn on November 29, 1864. Many women, children, and elderly were killed as a result of this engagement, which created a feeling of indignation so strong in the East that it prompted a congressional investigation. As a result, Dr. John Evans lost his federal appointment as governor and Chivington's enlistment had already expired that September so he could not be dishonorably discharged. In addition, Colorado's statehood was delayed, a circumstance that became the dominate aspect of Colorado politics in the years following Sand Creek.

Several months later, Chivington made good on his genocidal promise. During the early morning hours of November 29, 1864, he led a regiment of Colorado Volunteers to the Cheyenne's Sand Creek reservation, where a band led by Black Kettle, a well-known "peace" chief, was encamped. Federal army officers had promised Black Kettle safety if he would return to the reservation, and he was in fact flying the American flag and a white flag of truce over his lodge, but Chivington ordered an attack on the unsuspecting village nonetheless. After hours of fighting, the Colorado volunteers had lost only 9 men in the process of murdering between 200 and 400 Cheyenne, most of them women and children. After the slaughter, they scalped and sexually mutilated many of the bodies, later exhibiting their trophies to cheering crowds in Denver.

Chivington was at first widely praised for the "battle" at Sand Creek, and honored with a widely attended parade through the streets of Denver just two weeks after the massacre. Soon, however, rumors of drunken soldiers butchering unarmed women and children began to circulate, and at first seemed confirmed when Chivington arrested six of his men and charged them with cowardice in battle. But the six, who included Captain Silas Soule, a personal friend of Chivington's who had fought with him at Glorietta Pass, were in fact militia members who had refused to participate in the massacre and now spoke openly of the carnage they had witnessed. Shortly after their arrest, the U.S. Secretary of War ordered the six men released and Congress began preparing for a formal investigation of Sand Creek."

 

Isn't " confused" and " Trump supporter" redundant?

 

Where is this record of the Auto industry in alliance with the tobacco industry?

 

Ashtrays in cars? Cigarette lighters in cars?

 

I have some nieces. One married a Mexican. Said Mexican arrived as an illegal. Clear so far? He became a citizen when Reagan agreed to a law change.

This law change was to Americanize said illegals but put the block to more later on.

I asked Jesus what to do about the Mexican illegals. He said to me, Swear he said it .... ship them back to Mexico.

Well I was absolutely flabbergasted.

 

Does that mean the cigarette lighter only came to be in autos after laws against smoking?

 

I never would insult Democrats at all but for the fact that when I joined forums, over 20 years ago, it was not possible to get Democrats not to taunt and insult. Nothing has changed.

 

lol

 

Pffffffffffffffffffffft, you poor thing.

Your police depts. have been militarized and gun down unarmed citizens in the streets having been trained by the Israelis in Apartheid state tactics and population control/subjugation. You have no guarantee of Habeas Corpus and can legally be removed to black sites for torture. You are under constant state surveillance no matter where you go, what you look at on line, and your every email, text, movement is gathered up by the corporate state. You have corporate for profit prisons in a post-industrial society with a redundant population no longer required for profit generation. Your corporate for profit prisons are a growth industry with stocks traded on Wall Street, think tank generated legislation and lobbying efforts with a vested interest in higher societal rates of livable wage unemployment, higher rates of poverty, crime, violence, recidivism and incarceration.

Here the corporate state can turn $40-50K per year, per hominid, via “convict” labor leasing (legalized enslavement) paying pennies on the dollar for labor and offload the costs onto the public. You have both a political system and an economic system that serves the interests of the Wall Street/donor/”job creator” class alone to the detriment of society at large.

Your militaristic empire cannibalizes society economically at home for global military occupation abroad – not for defense – but for the Wall Street/donor/”job creator” class’ access to the resources and wealth extraction of/from other nations.

And we've all had our guns all along the way.

Your founders WERE sociopathic ruling elites who set up a system in which enslavement of labor, genocide, and political system participation was for males of the aristocracy alone.

Fweedumb.

 

There is a common view that Hitler and Stalin disarmed their public to prevent a rebellion. I have never seen any factual evidence to support that. In fact Stalin and Hitler gave large numbers of their citizens military grade weapons. Sadaam required much of his public to have them, gun ownership in Iraq was extremely high before he was overthrown by the US (not his public).

I know of no case where private non-military weapons in the hands of private citizens was decisive in a revolution. Generally they are fought with military weapons which few private citizens have. In the American revolution the key battles were generally fought by continentals who had military grade weapons largely from France I believe. Trying to supply ammo for private style weapons alone would make them of limited value.

Does anyone here know of a case where private weapons were used to defeat a tyrannical government?

 

Often, depends upon the motive. But really now, aren't both Dem and Rep party/candidate supporters equally confused?

 

I think the only recent President involved in mass killings was Johnson and he was not very good at it.

 

No. ​

SECURE THE BORDERS

and end the influx of illegals.
That is what was missing from the Reagan Amnesty.

BTW my friend who I donated 7K was in the midst of the Obama program.
I told him not to do it. All he was doing was telling the Federals who, where, etc.
Home owner, tax payer, American born adult children. American wife.
Well he did it and came in monthly for recertification, from Orange County to L.A.
After several recertifications he was told he could wait 3 months. When he appeared in 3 months they asked, where were you 2 months ago and put him on the bus.
Once there it takes a minimum of 6 months to get a hearing.


It took years for him to walk freely on the streets again.
Even if allowed back to you are in county jail until they finally decide.
That's why he needed a mean Jew lawyer and he was out.
Still pending because with every court appearance the Federals request a deferred date.
Usually 8 months later. Three times so far since his release from county jail.
Go figure.
I can't

 

He remains a citizen of Mexico. Is he not welcome there?

 

I keep hoping the media will broadcast non confusing messages. They so hate Donald Trump they make it mainstream to hate the president.

 

We turned tail and ran as I recall, but as it turns out, that was much wiser than what we do now.

 

Military weapons evolved to fire quicker than the so called private weapons. Private parties designed modern military weapons in the rifle and pistol stages. During the civil war here in the USA, private parties made the cannons. Cannons have greatly evolved as well. WW 2 was fought using weapons designed by private parties. It continues today.

 

Clinton deregulated the FCC. What was once a myriad of voices spread across 50 some odd companies in the US media market back in the 1980s is now in the hands of 6 multinational corporations. So there ya go. We used to have protections against monopoly; it is now what we embrace. But really now, Don has never needed any help at all being rejected, you’ll recall he lost the popular vote. Against Hillary for crying out loud; he couldn’t even win the popular vote against her? Jeebus.

Let's be clear for once; "mainstream" = corporate state.

 

Native tribes were able to live on non us government land and try to progress using their means. Reservations were actually their own lands and they governed their lands.

The native tribes simply never evolved an effective fighting force or no doubt once they learned how it would be, they would have driven the Europeans back to Europe.

 

We agree. The US is no longer a representative constitutional republic. We live in a post 1984 Orwellian State. It is tied at the hip with the big banking sector and big corporations, and the elites who own them. This is our reality here in America, and with each president, we only get farther away from a republic. The forms are still there of course, just as with the roman republic, and politics has turned into theater, where the head of a powerful intel agency can lie under oath to congress and keep his job. Where the CIA who can take down a president 6 ways from sunday, hold such dangerous powers and it is allowed. And they can spy on their own oversight committee and no heads roll. So, theater, when it comes to congress. Entertainment for the Rubes who vote these same treasonous bastards back into office, time and time again. It is surreal.

And because of this, such a gov't will eventually try to disarm the american citizens. For until they do, an oligarchy or whatever we have in place is not safe from the People. And of course they will use the stupidity of the democrat voters to do it. Get enough americans who want to confiscate guns as they seek a security which they will never, ever have, control congress and the presidency and you could get the ball rolling. You might not get the 2nd amendment repealed but all you would have to do, like hillary mentioned, is to make it legal to sue gun makers, for the death of your child by an insane school shooter, along with the small or big gun shops that sold the gun, and you could get rid of guns, by using a clever back door. You could still legally own guns, but you just could not buy them because gun makers would stop making them for non military uses and gun shops would close down.

Gotta watch these disconnected from reality democrats. For they would cut off a horse's head in order to get rid of its headache.

 

I very much respect the few Democrats that truly understand this nations election system.

Again, we use the collection of states but not in a popular vote fashion.

Each state gets treated the same way one would treat them as individual governments. Matter of fact, each state does have individual governments. CA law has no effect on law in Arkansas, Alaska nor Ohio.

It is fallacious thinking to act as if this nation is a popular vote apparatus. As to Clinton deregulating, I know nothing of this.

First why do we have the FCC? Me talking to you here, or on the telephone or by radio or TV ought to still be private free speech.

When one regulates any speech, they do infringe on speech rights.

I would get rid of the FCC.

Calvin Coolidge agreed to the law creating not the FCC, but the Federal Radio Commission.

This opened the door to communication regulation. Today this includes your own telephone.

One hallmark of Franklin Roosevelt was he believed in putting the Feds in charge of everything. He changed from a hands off system to a totally controlled system in this country. If you have a grand parent born prior to 1923, he or she was born with a lot more freedom than we today have.

Laws never add to your freedom, they pull freedom from you.

In the case of the Bill Clinton approved law change, he actually did seek more freedom for Americans. I applaud his actions.

"The Telecommunications Act of 1996 was the first significant overhaul of telecommunications law in more than sixty years, amending the Communications Act of 1934. The Act, signed by President Bill Clinton, represented a major change in American telecommunication law, since it was the first time that the Internet was included in broadcasting and spectrum allotment.[1] One of the most controversial titles was Title 3 ("Cable Services"), which allowed for media cross-ownership.[1] According to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), the goal of the law was to "let anyone enter any communications business -- to let any communications business compete in any market against any other."[2] The legislation's primary goal was deregulation of the converging broadcasting and telecommunications markets.[3] However, the law's regulatory policies have been questioned, including the effects of dualistic re-regulation of the communications market.[4][5]"

 

We had one president who among all presidents is the largest robber of human rights. Franklin Roosevelt a favorite of Democrats did more damage to this country by far, than even Abe Lincoln had done. Abe for his war. Abe for ensuring that for many generations we had Americans hating each other. Some issues are trivial. Why Democrats hated the statues of Robert Lee to this day puzzle me. He was forced to defend. Abe attacked him.

Franklin took a law over Radio and twisted it to being your phone, later your TV and in fact any form of communication. He put the speech platform into the Federal government. The founders never attempted to regulate your speech.