Medicare-for-all' means long waits for poor care, and Americans won't go for it once they learn thes

you seem to think your baseless denial is in any way a rebuttal of the peer reviewed paper I gave you, lol.

 

Quality of care is meaningless. It’s more important to have everyone “covered”, even if they can’t see a doctor or get an MRI.

 

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nope............https://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf

 

See, i have the opposite exp at the VA, I needed a complete electrocardiogram for work (CDL driving the company Van) I had one and all the paperwork for the the licence in 10 days, this was done at the Providence VA. I had a partial hole in my retina wall. (that they detected during my yearly eye appt.) They had someone from the hospital associated with Brown U. perform the procedure within one week. Just yesterday my primary care doctor called me personally to go over my blood results from my yearly check up. Not some receptionist of a med tech, but he spend the time about 8-10 min on the phone with me. My private doctor never in 50 years called me himself to go over bloodwork.

 

Agreed. I have been a patient with the VA for almost 20 years. It has ONLY been recently with the passages of the Veteran's Choice Act of 2014, and the VA Mission Act of 2018 when things improved.

I was able to flash a CT scan purchased outside the VA showing serious problems when they changed my primary care doctor from a nurse practitioner to a full medical doctor. That got me an appointment change from 2 months away to 2 weeks away. And my outside CT scan purchase was instrumental in getting it as well.

They are getting better but only in recent years and after a few avoidable deaths. And we shouldn't have to rely on dead-locked politicians to pass these laws.

Steve

 

You are always better off taking responsibility for yourself and paying for the services you want or need. When anything is free it is made so for the benefit of freeloaders and losers. Hardworking, responsible people will pay the price for all, will have to sacrifice, and will end up with a substandard system. Think about calling the IRS and having to wait 30 minutes to speak to a human as compared to calling your doc's office and the receptionist picks up. If you are for government run healthcare -- then think about government run grocery stores, gov run car mfg, gov run mechanics, gov run construction, gov run sports, etc. Is this what we want? What starts as gov run health care has to evolve into the gov telling docs what field of medicine they are needed in and what their salary will be. The docs will be the ones who barely made the grade in medical school even after the gov reducing the standard required to become a doc. Then imagine the gov running hospitals. Then imagine another gov shutdown

 

I just started using them in the past 3 years, but every interaction I had with them is 2x as professional as dealing with a private practice doctor. I have a 10:30 appt, I am seen at 10:30. My pills are mailed to me, two weeks before my appt my blood work inst are mailed to me.

 

Please, when I wanted to talk to my doctor, you always have to wait till the end of the day till he gets back to you. And believe me they now do what the insurance companies and Medicare say to do, not what they wish. You go to the hospital now, your insurance company nurse meets with you and tells you what your course of treatment and how long you can stay. .

As far as calling the IRS the mannning levels at the IRS they have lost 13,000 employees over the last 8 years and have had thier inflation adjusted budget cut by 18%. Don't blame those guys.

 

Did you bother reading what I wrote?

Steve

 

Lol. There's no waiting list for an MRI.

 

You have no clue, do you. I've lived with free public health all my life .. and your absurd scenarios simply don't happen. Your local doctor is not a govt entity, she or he is a General Practitioner - sometimes paid by individuals, and sometimes paid by Govt. There is literally no difference in service or treatment between patients. When you call to make an appointment, the receptionist has no idea whether you'll pay cash or use the public system to pay. No public hospital has ever been subject to 'govt shut down' in the history of public hospitals - here, or in any of the other civilised nations. And our public hospitals are the teaching hospitals for our top tier universities. The standard of care is almost always higher in our public hospitals, because they're not profit dependent. They can afford to supply higher staff ratios and the best equipment - and retain the best staff for all of these reasons. You're literally wrong on every count.

 

Only if you think you're special, and shouldn't have to wait. Most people using public health don't think like that. Sure, we'd all like things yesterday, but we're not so spoiled that we can't tolerate not having it.

The stats are very clear. The US system is TERRIBLE, compared to places like Australia and Canada. And your obstetric mortality rates are terrible. You can pretend otherwise, and even argue with me, but you can't argue with the stats.

 

Our top medical degree is $130k. Easily repaid on a junior doctor's salary (of around the same per year).

 

Why do you think we have over 50,000 Indian docs in the US?

 

That's what it was 30 years ago.

 

You don't have to give up your private insurance/private healthcare in a nationalised health system. What made you think they were mutually exclusive?

 

Keeping in mind that we don't live at university, here. Kids live at home and commute. That does reduce the extra costs of a degree significantly.

 

It was my job to know the numbers.

 

So, would you be in favor of repealing EMTALA, and allowing hospitals to turn away those who cant pay, regardless of whatever consequence that might mean for the patient?

 

you are becoming more and more ridiculous the more I talk to you about this. It's spoiled to pay for your own medical Care?

yeah I haven't seen any stats and chances are you're not going to show them because you never do. So your opinion means s*** to me.

the red flag of dishonesty. Moving goalposts. Before it was infant mortality now it's obstetric mortality.

I wonder what you're hiding.

 

My problem with healthcare is it’s not truly free market I can’t get the prices for services so as to use free market to shop elsewhere. Can people even get the true manufacturing costs that go into prescription drugs? If it’s not the government telling you what you can and can’t get done your decision is still in the hands of a third party ie insurance companies.

 

I'm actually embarrassed for you now, Poly.

PS "obstetric" is the technical term for the field of medicine pertaining to pregnancy and childbirth. a little google would have taught you that.

 

“Demand for an item (such as goods or services) refers to the market pressure from people trying to buy it. Buyers have a maximum price they are willing to pay and sellers have a minimum price they are willing to offer their product.”

We don’t have that now because in most cases prices for things aren’t even listed.

 

I don't respect posturing

Still not a synonym with infant.

You should be embarrassed for yourself quit wasting your emotions on me.

 

Right. You don't order service, your doctor does.