Meet the Next President

Discussion in 'Elections & Campaigns' started by Aleksander Ulyanov, Oct 31, 2013.

  1. Gorn Captain

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    A continuing problem.

    They've got the Rightwing Echo Chamber Media, promoting hate and anger (which means ratings), egging on the Far Right to accept no compromises and no candidates that are NOT crazy ideologues like Cruz.

    Then there are the sane Republicans who know a "Tea Party approved pure conservative"...even after a rocky Obama 2nd Term, will cost them 40+ states and a buttload of "down-ticket" races.

    The first group will tolerate no "RINOs"....the second group doesn't want to commit political suicide at the behest of the first. And they're stuck.

    At best the only resolution is the same thing as last time, a "Romney" who isn't crazy, but who panders to Crazies in the Primaries to win the Nomination and then desperately hopes he can "tack Center" for the Fall.
     
  2. Natty Bumpo

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    Just the sort of duplicity one would expect from a "Socialist!" who presides over all-time Dow Jones highs, unprecedented CEO salaries, and record corporate profits, whilst Congress last passed a bill to increase minimum wages that phases in modest increases over several years under the Bush.

    Some "Socialist!"

    Even their asinine "Birther!" claptrap was less absurd.



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  3. KevinVA

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    Exactly.
     
  4. flyboy56

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    Not talking about after the fact. I'm referring to the lead up to the attack.
     
  5. CaptainAngryPants

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    I just wanted to save you the trouble of reviewing the usual Republican talking points.
     
  6. USSR

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    When will the dunder heads get it through their thick skulls ,that the political "party's " of US Imperialism ,are nothing but empty shells, Brand Names and Money makers ,that's all they now ARE, not political party's at all ,Brand Democrat v\s brand Republican ,and the contest is who gets the most money wins.

    I thought Democracy was about Ideas ,and perspective ,not Money and brand positioning !

    yep ,Advertising agencies are the driving force behind US Politics. Not the Will of the people of the USA!

    The Australian Proletariat ,would like to thank the spreading of this Infection ,into the Political Party's ,of Australian Imperialism .

    Objectively with the weakening and the turn to Brand names not Political party ,makes our job on getting rid of them easier.

    Thanks decaying US liberalism ,your disease has caught on .My pathetic Historically cowardly capitalist Class and its Political Brands ,are weaker for it.
     
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    We cannot because we are not gullible sheep like idiotic libs are!
     
  8. birddog

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    Very true! Also, I would daresay that if hypothetically Chelsea Clinton had been the Ambassador in Benghazi, four good men would not have died!
     
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    Yeah, a governor like Mitt Romney would cream him.....
     
  10. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    All of the conservatives are missing the point. Republicans will lose because they continue to offer nothing but more of the policies that got us to where we are now and have done absolutely nothing but prevent any real change in those policies since 2008.

    If a Republican came along running on the main basis of the restoration of Glass-Steagall and promising REAL financial regulatory reform instead of Obama's gutted version I'D vote for him. Isn't going to happen though. In 1900 (date?) Teddy Roosevelt went to the monopolists and promised contritely that he would be their man if they supported him, then turned around and nailed them to the wall once elected. Today's Republican candidate, however, is at least honest in his dishonesty and not at all afraid to be a coward. Once he is bought he stays bought, the public truly, be damned.
     
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    And it is quite apparent you never bothered to watch the CSPAN coverage of the congressional investigation in October 2012 when it was still very fresh in everyone's minds. Ms. Lamb and Mr. Kennedy was there testifying along with the State Department's own DSS supervisor. Save all of us some time and get educated before posting useless snarky comments that only serve to support a lying corrupt administration.
     
  12. Bluesguy

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    Name a Democrat that ALL Democrats admire that could be their nominee in 2016 and since when did that become the standard that ALL members of a party must admire the person?
     
  13. Bluesguy

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    Cite the moderate plans

    Conservatives dropped the mandate proposals long ago after they were debated.

    Obama's cap-and-trade was a plan to put the coal industry out of business and shutdown coal fire power generation. What is moderate about that?
     
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    The Democrats successfully elected a crazied ideologue why shouldn't the Republicans?
     
  15. Bluesguy

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    If the election were held today.....................most likely. But this is about Hillary running. Hillary couldn't beat a relatively unknown inexperienced unqualified opponent when she last ran, what gives her the edge now?
     
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    If the GOP is still dredging up Benghazi years from now, I am sure that it will be even more sickening to the American public.

    I hope that Warren runs. I don't think she'd beat Hillary but at least there would be some intelligent debate about the economy.

    If Clinton doesn't run, I think that Warren still has a good shot simply because of all the in-fighting in the GOP. Christie may be a moderate, but he's attacking the libertarians. The white-haired old guard (Santorum, Gingrich, etc.) are just getting 'whiter' and the new GOP hopefuls (Jindal, Rubio, etc.) don't represent the values of either the TP or ultra-conservatives. I have to admit, I'm very curious about how this mess will turn out.

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  17. KevinVA

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    And you voted for this:

    [video=youtube;JEMZHQsQJ6Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEMZHQsQJ6Y[/video]

    I'll take Sarah Palin.
     
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    I would never vote for Hillary, unless she was running against Obama. She will have the support of the media because she would be another historic first, and they will overlook all her scandalous behavior. The sheeple of America will vote for her too. Our only hope for survival is a true Conservative.
     
  19. KevinVA

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    I love how the "Leftwing Echo Chamber Media" never sees any crazy Liberal ideologues, like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barack Obama, Ed Schultz, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Rev. Jessie Jackson, Rev. Al Sharpton, Dick Durban, Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Barbara Mikulski, Kathleen Sebelius, Al Franken, Claire McCaskill, Alan Grayson, Rahm Emmanuel, Eric Holder, etc. You have so many... it's difficult trying to remember all of them.

    The fact that you don't dissent from idiots like these in your own party is quite telling of your "standards."
     
  20. Natty Bumpo

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    Republicans became less enamoured over WillardCare (despite its six-year success story) and its' conservative "individual responsibilty" principle, despite its having been touted by Gingrich, praised by the Heritage Foundation, and recommended as a model for the nation by TP darling DeMint only after the President had embraced their heralded approach as a model for the nation.

    Hardly.

    Consider the analysis of self-interested Kentuckians at Kentucky.com Some folks are apt to swallow all the variations of the "birther" myth whole, but rational analysis induces eructation.

     
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    When Republican Senators were answered with "We can discuss that in closed session".......what do you suppose they were talking about?
     
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    Republican accusations about Benghazi only make sense if you don't think about them.
     
  23. Bluesguy

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    Like what?

    We had banking failures and crisis long before the repeal of any GS regulations. Remember when the term too big to fail was coined? Try Continental Bank in the 80's. Remember the S&L crisis of the 70's?
     
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    They were discarded over Constitutional and citizens rights issues. Your point is moot.



    Obama was quite clear in his intentions to use cap and trade to shut down the coal industry by making it too expensive for them to operate.

    " Let me sort of describe my overall policy.

    What I’ve said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else’s out there.

    I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.

    So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.

    That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.

    The only thing I’ve said with respect to coal, I haven’t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a (sic) ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.

    So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.

    It’s just that it will bankrupt them."

    Where is the moderate part exactly? How does his cap and trade mimic the proposed then dropped conservative proposals? Can you point to me conservatives saying they would use cap and trade to shut down the coal industry?
     
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    'Benghazi' would not have happened under the Gip! His covert operations traded guns to terrorists and had something to show for it, and his allowing 241 American servicemen to be killed by a terrorist attack in Lebanon certainly bears no resemblance to the matter of four being killed in Libya. The numbers and locale both differ.
     

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