Michigan protests will turn into BIGGER deal as days go on.

Cant stay in a lockdown forever and if everybody isolates what’s going to happen when they come out of isolation? They’re gonna get sick. Getting this thing is inevitable. We have to build a herd immunity. We can’t shut the country down for 18 months while we wait for a vaccine every time a new virus with a .5% death rate shows up.

 

Your name sake would have thought it’s a beautiful look. So do I.

 

Again. We ALL have to get it. It is an inevitability.

 

Couple things.

Nobody is saying Walmart is safe and a golf course isn't. Walmart sells essential items, a golf course is just a golf course. Personally, I feel golf is a sport that pretty much has built-in social distancing so I say it should be open, and I don't even golf. But that doesn't make your comparison correct.

Also, the Michigan lottery can be played online without leaving your house.

Those things said, I can easily agree that Whitmer is a moron.

 

We don't all have to get it in a small span of time though. That's what the shutdowns are meant to avoid. That's what overruns hospitals and leads to bodies in the street, bodies on trucks, bodies in mass graves, people dying in hallways and on the street and in their homes and even in hospitals that don't have the staff, space, and supplies to treat them. Basically, Italy.

Stalling while we wait for treatments and vaccines will allow us to protect those most at risk including the health care workers, first responders, and other essentials that we rely on.

 

Yeah but that’s a tactic you use for something with a high infection AND a high death rate. You can’t use that option every time we come across a virus with a .5-1% death rate. It’s untenable. We CANNOT shut down the economy for 12-18 months while we wait for a vaccine which may NEVER come.

You do what we always have done. You quarantine the sick and those who have underlying health issues if they want to quarantine but you let the vast majority of the population carry on, get sick develop an immunity and move on.

Now if the virus had a death rate of 20% or more then you’re talking about a massive quarantine. But the democrats want to blow this completely out of proportion in a last ditch effort to get trump not elected in November.

 

Wasn't going to comment on this lightweight thread until I read this humorous spin on the topic - Great Tweets here...

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/shutdown-protest-zombie-movie-072549792.html

Plus proof some are clear Trump supporters - The Key Clue, for those a little slow on the draw? - Holding a Trump/Pence sign or wearing the MAGA hat...

 

Which leaders are those ?? The CCP ??

 

She's wacked. Recall the "That Woman From Michigan" tee shirt. She thought that she had a chance at the Democratic VP nomination. But the insane restrictions have backfired big time. Instead of learning from her mistake she doubled down and attacked the protestors.

 

Wow.

 

That's what you call that?

 

They should have stayed in their cars....with that said...my guess is nothing was fire bombed, no property was destroyed, people assaulted and trash left blowing in the wind.....that's the difference between a peaceful protest, and a Dem riot

 

Here is context for you. The governor made some arbitrary orders that had nothing at all to do with safety or the virus. As an example if you let people go into a store, then whatever risk might be involved it isn't affected by what customers buy. Having the store close certain departments has zero effect on public safety. The order deals with what the governor considers non essential not unsafe. that is just one example. If she wanted to protect people from infection, she would close the store, not decide what people should buy. What she did is unconstitutional besides being pointless. It isn't up to her to decide what is essential and what is not. That decision is up to you and me.

The decision to ban travel to vacation homes and the use of motorboats, as another example, has nothing to do with preventing infections. To protect people from infection she should ask people to refrain from getting very close to other people. They can do that in motorboats and vacation homes. One can only guess that she dislikes motorboats and vacation homes.

In other words she has interfered with peoples' freedoms without accomplishing or helping anything with those orders. She has been arbitrary.

As to the tenor of your post, it is nothing but nonsensical partisan hatred. There is no point in responding to it.

 

The mortality rate is 1% because weve been locked in our homes.

China likely has millions dead (yes, millions, with an M). Its not the virus, its 100,000 people having the virus at once in the same city with 20,000 of those in the hospital made for 2,000 people so now nobody gets care.

China is going BACK on lockdown now because, once again, their dead are piling up. 7,000,000 deactivated cell phone numbers in China in February (5,000,000 more than the previous month). Do you think that THEY think opening back up is a good idea?

 

lol democrat rule? Democrats are not in power, republicans are. They control the senate and white house, and numerous states. Every republican controlled state is also on lockdown, via order of their republican governor.

What a moronic claim

 

that would violate the US constitution. They have a right to be armed.

 

I agree with both of you. Banning travel to vacation homes and banning boating is absurd, and I can't think of a valid reason for either.

Here in Florida we had a problem with people boating to sandbars etc., with no social distancing, taking friends with them boating, and partying it up like it was any other weekend. So Florida cracked down on social distancing (some areas are even using drones), and closed problem "party" areas, but general boating is still allowed. Among other things, in support of boating, was the argument that people use boats to go fishing, and fishing is a source of food, wink wink.

Traveling from one home to another is harmless as well. You load up your family unit from one home, put them in the car, and unload at the next home. You literally don't have to have contact with a single other person. You're more likely to come into contact with someone while you're at the grocery store or the Walmart.

It almost sounds like a subtle class-warfare move on Whitmer's part, to target boats and vacation homes in such a stupid and unjustifiable way.

 

And wanting to reopen the country.

Its the left that wants to keep everyone locked down, dependent on big government for their existence.

His post was spot on. Sorry you couldn't understand it.

 

It's a great observation. Frankly, not being exposed only prolongs the cycle of potential damage. It's not a pleasant thought, but it effectively is the medical one. Without exposure, or until a vaccine is produced, the herd doesn't get exposed, and immunity doesn't become wide spread. Isolation of the populations then only exacerbates the cycle in the long run. Targeted quarantines do work, however. Travel out of hot spots is what spreads the virus. We know these things. And unfortunately, we know the Chinese also know these things, and yet, they never turned off their citizens ability to travel the world, and the virus got out. Shocking... Maybe these are just lessons for next time, but they do seem acutely necessary to remember if we ever have to go through this again.

What liberals failed to understand here is that their overreaction to the fact that they inevitably commune in dense places led to their own fragility here. Worse, their draconian authoritarianism immediately crept out as they worried that their voting bases were likely very exposed and threatened. Worse, they then chose to punish everyone to cover over the facts of their strategy here.

It's cloudy still what the actual goal was here for democrats. Long enduring authoritarianism? That seems, as this pandemic lasts, to be the final goal for them. Ms Whitman seems to have grabbed hold of that herself, and it isn't surprising for the resulting protests to start. The idea that you shouldn't leave your own home to get out in the yard seems, well, excessive, and typical of over entitled "because I said so" mommyism....

 

That’s simply not true. The closest thing to an actual death rate we have is the boat where EVERYONE on board was tested. 600+ infected and they had a .5% death rate. That’s the most accurate picture of the death rate we have. The death rate has nothing to do with us locking ourselves at home. The death rate is an equation of the total dead vs the number of infected.

 

nothing is stopping a republican governor from lifting their stay at home orders. can't blame democrats for republicans failure to do so.

it was moronic, demonstrably false and factually incorrect.

 

Your posts never fail to educate, it's a welcome change of venue from the everyday misinformation and coordinated attack on a President and a country that had little to do with the incubation or World Wide spread of this Chiner planet killer..

 

The economy won't be shut down for 12-18 months. While we may have to go through this again in the late fall, it is likely we'll be able to return to a semi-normal state for the summer and early fall. But by then we may have new treatments and possibly even a vaccine, plus better equipped hospitals that will make the situation in the fall different than it is currently.

The Trump/Democrats thing is stupid. People are not going to blame the economy on Trump when everybody knows it was the virus that precipitated the drop and the governor's who closed down businesses. Republican & Democratic governor's.

Now, if Trump keeps flubbing the federal government's response and making an ass of himself at his campaign rally/COVID briefings, that will be on him, not the Democrats.

 

Except for CDC recommendations. I don't understand how we ended up like this, well "Not speaking for myself".. The masks and gloves I understand but hiding from virus? It never struck me as a viable way to handle this virus..

And to be fair it certainly us not just Republican Gov engaged in this ridiculousness ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯

 

I worry perhaps you overestimate the intelligence of the typical knuckle-dragging koolaid-drinker who is getting their daily dose of brainwashing that "this is all Trump's fault" from the mainstream media ---- and they believe it. Logic and critical thinking are foreign to most of that demographic.