<<Mod Warning>>Ukraine conflict: Evacuation planned in frontline town of Avdiivka

Here's a nice summation of what is going on now with the Ukie attempted advance.

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Here’s what we know. The Ukrainian President was in Berlin for talks with Angela Merkel. Sources in Berlin suggest how the Chancellor gave him a tongue-lashing about corruption. And that he used the, conveniently timed, resumption of hostilities as an excuse to avoid whatever lecture German officials had planned for the following day.

Kiev immediately went into hysteria mode, insisting that the rebels had launched some kind of assault on their forces. But this makes no sense, because the ethnic Russians have nothing to gain from a new offensive. And nobody believes that Moscow, exploring opportunities to build new relations with the West, would acquiesce to any form of provocation right now.

What appears to have occurred is that a creeping Ukrainian advance on the town of Adiivka was going relatively smoothly, until the insurgents copped it and fired back with artillery. And this resulted in a heavy death toll.

Hard To Accept As playing the victim has been successful for Kiev since 2014, they immediately flung blame at the rebels. But it was clear they were crying wolf shortly afterwards, when the deputy defense minister, Igor Pavlovsky, did something so dimwitted that it requires an apology to dimwits.

“As of today, despite everything, metre by metre, step by step, whenever possible, our boys have been advancing,” he told domestic media. And, just like that, he kiboshed Kiev’s entire narrative. By exposing how the regime had provoked the escalation. As it happened, German media agreed. Sueddeutsche Zeitung, regarded as a paper of record and establishment journal, reported how Berlin is seeing through Ukraine’s crocodile tears.

Russia’s chief diplomat, Sergey Lavrov, agreed. “Even the biased German press acknowledged that Poroshenko was behind it,” he snorted.

 

Russia didn't give anything away because there was no Russia. The government was taken over by the Bolsheviks who were not Russian and they formed the Soviet Union. This was an internationalist system that did not believe in nation/states, in the same way that Soros and the Washington ideologues do today. They wanted open borders and for countries and ethnic and religious identities not to exist.

There were no countries in the Soviet Union. There were only administrations to run affairs that's why the borders now are all crazy. It's like taking away the Mexican and Canadian border and letting people go wherever they want to go. When the Soviet Union broke up and the Russian Federation was formed, Russia should not have allowed Ukraine to take Crimea and the Donbas since the people were Russians. The same with the Hungarian area in Ukraine.

If Ukraine wanted to remain a country and hold on to those parts, they should have federated the way Russia did so they could all have more autonomy. The Russian Federation for example has 123 different languages in the different areas, and about 6 different religious faiths... and yet all these republics are a part of The Russian Federation.

 

Vladimir Putin believes Ukraine's aggression in the Donbas is to extort money from the US, EU and other institutions. He gave three reasons for restarting the fighting.

1- The first reason is that the Ukrainian leadership needs money. And it is better to ask the EU, European states, the US and international institutes for money by presenting itself as a victim of aggression.

2- During the pre-election campaign in the United States, current Ukrainian authorities one-sidedly supported one of the candidates. Moreover, some oligarchs financed this female candidate supposedly with the approval of the political leadership. Now they need to mend ties with the current US administration and it's always easier to drag it into solving Ukrainian problems through a dialogue if there is a conflict.

3- The third reason for the resumed fighting in Donbass is an internal one. Amid Kiev's obvious failures in its social and economic policies, Poroshenko's opposition has intensified. To hush them up and retain their power, they have to mobilize the people around the leadership, and that is easier to do if there is an external conflict. ​

 

You forget that renewed fighting might make it more difficult for The United States to drop the sanctions towards Russia. If the conflict is intensive then there are bound to be more people protesting against the removal of sanctions, hence it is started up again.

 

Uh..yah..attempted advance to retake what's theirs..nothing wrong with that other than some russian terrorists thinking otherwise..fight fire with fire.

 

I think things are going to change now with Trump.... but it will take time for him to form new policies. Obama and Clinton were Soros one world order/government ideologues that believed everything is okay no matter how evil and criminal as long as it was towards the cause they espoused.. sort of like the Nazis or Bolsheviks.

 

Russia has to be careful not to rock the boat and give Trump a chance to do what he knows is right. He's the leader now, and it's his decisions that will be influencing the EU and Nato. I don't think he's very fond of the Ukrainian criminals and Nazis, so we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

 

Russia want war but Trump and I don't need a war in territorium in Ukraine.

USA needs NATO yet.

And Sweden need EU.

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Terrorism must fights down.

 

In Malmö Sweden needs 4000 man from north division of south strenght but they is placed in north 4000 H-G soldiers. A war against Finland maybe we or Swedish general has planned from begun.

 

So if the ukies are Nazis...what are the russian nationalists who have swastikas tattooed on their backs ..good ole boys? And don't try to sugarcoat it either with all your other BS here.

 

Six or five tousand troops in Malmö I wanted.

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Big strenght muslims in Malmö.

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I can never knows Ukraine are Nazi government.

 

According to Kremlin trolls here anything that's" ukranian" is Nazi...it's a terrible addiction they have...no known cure at the moment.

 

I do not agree with the narrative of calling Ukrainian people Nazi's, nor do I agree with the narrative of calling everyone that is pro-Russian or in favour of a balanced and fair view at things, a Kremlin troll. By accusing someone of being something as silly as that you're hurting your own credibility just as they are hurting their credibility when claming that the people in Ukraine/the government of Ukraine is/are nazi's.

 

Perhaps that should be directed to others here who make the same claim...no?

 

They will undoubetly see the message I left to you so all is well.

 

Very sad.

It seems to me the flashpoint to this was the US and EU meddling in Ukrainian affairs and helping foment a coup there to expand NATO and the EU to the Russian doorstep which is a very bad idea.

The previous Ukrainian president was a lackey of Moscow by accounts, but why do such geopolitical gambits and international power grabs take precedence over the lives of the already poor and suffering there being dashed to the winds?

Imagine if Russia helped bump off the Mexican government with internal Russia-aligned elements. What would America's response be?

 

I rarely if at all use that term...seems other members here are quite liberal with using it.

 

The Russian Nazis left and joined the Right Sector in Ukraine. They weren't wanted in Russia after the atrocities by the Right Sector on the Russians in Odessa, Mariupol, Donetsk, etc. They're all yours now. Enjoy them!

 

The Donbas area had trade deals with Russia and were dependent on it. They were also aligned with industries in Ukraine, that's one of the reasons Russia wanted them to remain with Ukraine and told Poroshenko to federalize. If Ukraine had federalized, then the poor areas in the Western part of Ukraine, would have been able to establish their own trade deals with the EU. Kiev's response to this was that they will not accept any suggestions from Russia.

A lot of American propaganda was thrown at the people in Western Ukraine. They were also looking at Poland and how wealthy it looked, and were made to believe that if they joined they would become like that. What was hidden from them though, was that Poland was given about 150 billion dollars and it was still not self sufficient ...and that neither the US or the EU had the money to give to Ukraine.

The Western Ukrainians also thought that they would be able to go into the EU to work, but I had read that the EU was swarmed with Eastern European workers and didn't want anymore. To put it bluntly those in the Western part of Ukraine were deceived big time and they pulled the whole country down with them.

Yanukovich was running a 15 billion dollar deficit and not one country in the world was willing to loan him the money... not even China. He was forced to go to Russia for the loan and Putin said it would give it to him from the people's pension fund, (which annoyed the Russians), and he even advanced him 3 billion. They haven't paid it back yet.

The EU had told Yanukovich that if he joined, he would only lose about 35 billion in trade with Russia. When he looked at the books, it turned out to be over 150 billion and he realized that the country couldn't afford it.

He asked the EU if they would help him and they said no, and to get it from the IMF. Moscow said it couldn't keep up the special trade deals it had with Ukraine, because if it joined then the EU products would be coming into Russia under those deals. Putin said he was willing to speak to the EU to discuss it and to come to some agreement, but again they refused.

If Yanukovich borrowed money from the IMF he would have had to raise the gas prices something like 100% and cut peoples pension and labor about 70%. He knew that the people wouldn't tolerate it, so he refused the deal and said that when things are worked out he will join the EU at a later date..

As soon as he refused the deal, the paid protests started and the Right Sector who had been trained in Poland took over the government and the rest is history.

 

Yep, there is a Russian federation alright,
It is comprised with Adygea, Buryatia, Chechnya, Dagestan, etc..., but no Donbas and Crimea is not recognized internationally as a part of the federation. Maybe for Khrushchev, Donbas and Crimea are not really strategically important compared with Putin presently.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/02/politics/haley-russia-un/index.html

UN Ambassador says America will keep its sanctions on Russia until they leave Crimea.

she also condemned Russia's aggression in eastern Ukraine.

 

Lol..the reason no one would borrow that scoundrel any money from anywhere in the world is because those filthy oligarchs like himself stole all the money for themselves and hid it in western banks, he would've done the same with the dwarfs money also..the guy was worse than rotten..you didn't think about that did you..and as far as Nazis are concerned they're alive and well in Muscovy land they go by the names of motorola, firkin, Givi, etc.

 

Of course they wanted to get rid of Yanukovich, I mean who wouldn't want honest men like Yatsenuk, Poroshenko and Kolomoisky to run their country. Wow, the wicked witch was finally dead, oops I mean Yanukovich was finally gone. Now all the Ukrainians could join hands and live happily ever after in their EU paradise.

[video=youtube;9Jn8K8EA7-Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jn8K8EA7-Q[/video]

 

Yanukovich..honest? Really the man had a toilet bowl made of golf with armrests and a lion ahead on top. I suppose that was all honest $$$ he made?