Mom stops being gay and runs away with daughter

it remains an identical situation. a married heterosexual couple using a sperm donor, a married lesbian couple using a sperm donor.

 

actually it's a civil right.

 

Man and woman. Husband and wife. Fathers and mothers to the children they bring into the world. The nuclear family is at the foundation of human civilization. Gay marriage is a pathetic attempt to win respect from society for gays and a shred of dignity for themselves.

Equal protection is the guarantee that similar people will be dealt with in a similar manner and that people of different circumstances will not be treated as if they were the same. Two gays are no different than ANY TWO PEOPLE other than a husband and wife who join together to form a household together. Nothing special about those who happen to be gay while heterosexual couples are the source of the next generation and responsible for providing and caring for those children.

 

this doesn't contradict a thing I said. it remains an identical situation.

 

But the laws were enforced. Men were arrested for consensual sex in their own homes. There may not have been an anti-sodomy squad but men were arrested for doing in their own homes what straight couples would not have been arrested for.

I am against that type of government intrusion into ones home.

 

Actually it directly contradicts your 4 word declaration.

 

nope. had nothing at all to do with what I said. it remains an identical situation.

 

I think for the people cheering on the mom, who fled the country and who is now a fugitive, is that they just are against gays- against gay marriage, against gays having children, against gays being treated like anyone else.

 

Anyone else would be subject to the rule that only a husband is presumed to be the father of the children his wife bears.

 

Actually I precisely identified how they are different, and as of yet you havent been able to formulate a response relevant to the content of my post. Just your generic denials void of even a shred of substance.

 

nope. nothing you posted had anythin at all to do with what I said. it remains an identical situation.

 

Yes, the identifical situation that happens to many many lesbians on the submissive side of the relationship.

They get their ass beat and run from this:



Now. I can very much see a woman, traumatized by a previously abusive relationship with a man "swearing off men" for a few years and winding up in an lesbian relationship. One where she wanted to raise a child in a non-traditional family setting.

Eventually, the normal heterosexual instincts reassert themselves and this lesbian obviously wishes to change her mind and raise the child in a traditional heterosexual family unit with no exposure to the non-traditional relationship she had before.

Does a mother and a heterosexual have a right to change her mind about what form of family unit they want the child exposed to?

 

you can consider it anything you want. The fact you think I MUST accept your line of thought is very closeminded of a person who most likely prides themself on how openminded they are.

 

you can consider it anything you want. The fact you think I MUST accept your line of thought is very closeminded of a person who most likely prides themself on how openminded they are.

 

You mean, does she have a special right to a "do over", wherein she gets to ignore the legal consequences of her past actions?

No, she does not. From a legal standpoint, if she entered into such a legal relationship, she's bound to the laws governing legal parenthood connected to it.

It's no different than if a heterosexual marriage ends in divorce, and the mother decides she doesn't want the father's values influencing the child. So long as the father hasn't given up his legal rights or had them revoked, then he's entitled to visitation. The mother doesn't get to kidnap the child and flee to a foreign country just because she screwed up by marrying the wrong guy and having his child.

 

then I demand that .gov provide me with a spouse. And I also need to find which branch of .gov I need to sue for providing me a faulty 1st wife.

 

I think for the people cheering on the mom, who fled the country and who is now a fugitive, is that they just are against gays- against gay marriage, against gays having children, against gays being treated like anyone else.

 

which is just silly. do you demand govn't provide you a gun? do you sue the govn't for a faulty firearm?

you knew that was ridiculous when you posted it.

 

Yes she does. It happens everyday and the courts do nothing about it. There is an entire underground industry helping women kidnap their kids and hide from the legal consequences of their past actions.

I feel absolutely no pity for this lesbian when there are policies in place that leave thousands of men each year without a child because of lax enforcement, or lack of legal protection for men's rights to begin with.

When heterosexual men's rights are being adequately addressed by Government, then perhaps this butch can complain.

 

anyone who follows this sub-forum understands your biased perspective and naturally you would think what you posted.

The reality is the other woman is nothing more than a step parent but the Peoples Republic of Vermont screwed the pooch with their law. They are trying to set aside what nature does. Sure, there is adoption but the gay woman did not do that.

Oh, to a certain poster; it's the one with the downward thumb which you want to click.

 

Let me recap:
Fathers are getting screwed over by the system so you are glad that this parent was screwed over too?

The ironic part is that she is going through the exact situation that you are complaining about and you are in effect cheering for the other side.

 

This attitude is clearly based on bitter emotions, and not a good basis for governing or law.

See SFJEFF's reply. 'nuff said.

 

If the other woman is nothing more than a step parent, then no adoptive parents are anything more than step parents.

Becoming a parent by a Civil Union is exactly the same as becoming a parent because of adoption.

The gay woman didn't adopt because it would make no more legal sense than for me to adopt my biological child- she already is my legal child- why would I adopt(and I doubt state law would even allow it) my own child?

Why are you against State rights?

 

Let me just point out - pot calling kettle black.

 

why yes, I could get the .gov to provide me with a weapon this afternoon if I wanted....