Mom stops being gay and runs away with daughter

"Anyone else" would be subject to the rule that only a man is presumed to be a father.

 

huh???????

if you are a male and inseminated a female then you are the biological parent. What your group is trying to do is re-write nature which is pure nonsense. Adopt; plain and simple.

 

just because the law exists (allowing samesex othermother's just as much claim as the biological mother), does not mean they are just laws. They are the result of years and years of appeasement of the gay agenda in hopes they would finally **** about how oppressed they are....blah blah.


See where appeasement has gotten us now.... and the gay community is as vocal as ever wanting more.

It's not about "gay equality", it's about gays getting "equality +1"

 

actually you couldn't.

 

can you explain what additional rights are afforded to gays that justifies your statement that gays are getting "equality+1"?

 

So its not about 'gay equality' when gay parents want to be treated just like any other parents- biological or adoptive?

How are they not 'just' laws? Seriously- do you think that adoption laws are not 'just laws'?

Your originally claimed that the non-biological parent would have had rights if only she had adopted the child- but then after it has been pointed out to you that she has the same legal claims as any adoptive parents, now you see this as some sort of 'gay appeasement'?

Really- tell me what is not 'just' about the Civil Union law- which gives both straight and gay couples exactly the same rights under the law?

 

a civil union is a contract for property but not for children. You can be a one night stand and find yourself with parental rights. If gay folk or step-parents want parental rights then adopt; plain and simple. VT really messed up here trying to appease a small niche. Adoption is already a vehicle, but the People's Republic of VT is trying to re-write the laws of nature which you can't do. Heck, I'm not allowed into the state of VT because I don't wear Birkenstocks, wire rim glasses or have paste white skin.

 

Or was it the courts STRETCHING the intent of the legislation. Does treating same sex civil unions the same as marriages include treating a woman, as if she was the father? Im not that concerned with the Invitro fertilization situation as I would be in the situation where a women becomes pregnant naturally by a man, and her lesbian spouse is presumed to be the female equivalent of a father.

 

what is wrong with treating her the same as a PARENT? why does it have to be labeled father?

 

If the other woman is nothing more than a step parent, then no adoptive parents are anything more than step parents.

Becoming a parent by a Civil Union is exactly the same as becoming a parent because of adoption.

The gay woman didn't adopt because it would make no more legal sense than for me to adopt my biological child- she already is my legal child- why would I adopt(and I doubt state law would even allow it) my own child?

Why are you against State rights?

 

Actually according to Vermont State Law- a Civil Union is about children- among other things.

Why are you opposed to State's rights?

 

Civil Unions make both members of the civil unions parents. So under the law both are parents as much as I and my wife are parents of our child. As much as a couple becomes parents of an adopted child.

 

So does the kid have 3 parents or are you going to terminate the fathers parental rights and responsibilities? And while there is probably a very high chance that in fact you are the biological father of those children, in the case of a lesbian couple we know the other wife is in fact NOT the father. And, in the case of adoption, it is generally known that there are no other individuals with any claim of parental rights. If a married lesbian gets pregnant, absent the father having surrendered his parental rights, we know there very likely is another individual, the biological father, who does have parental rights.

 

yep... there is the can of worms that appeasement has opened up for us.

It's like a less funny, real life version of Ross on friends....

 

when you try to legislate around the laws of nature then liberalism has gone too far. I'm not kidding when I type "Peoples Republic of Vermont"

they are full blown, liberal whack jobs in that state and should stop threatening to secede and just do it

http://vermontrepublic.org/

 

Give an example of "...legislate around the laws of nature..." please.

Sounds ridiculous to me.

 

This is not that hard to understand- let me say it again:
Civil Unions make both members of the civil unions parents. So under the law both are parents as much as I and my wife are parents of our child. As much as a couple becomes parents of an adopted child.

When a child is adopted, the biological father remains the biological father but is not longer a legal parent- it is exactly the same here. This is not that hard to understand.

 

Why are you so against States rights?

 

states can do what they darn well want for example, prop 8 in Cali............oops

 

states can't violate the rights of it's citizens.

 

Presuming a woman is the biological father or that a man gave birth to a child.

 

why are you against states rights?

oops, did you see how I put it right back on you?

 

no law exists presuming a woman to be the father or a man that gave birth to a child.

 

you didn't put anything back on me. states can't violate the rights of it's citizens.

 

splitting hair....

there are laws that presume 2 women can be equal parents just like a man and woman. Allowing for this is the same as saying the butch woman is the "father"