Mom stops being gay and runs away with daughter

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  1. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Vermonts Civil Union Statute did.
     
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    nope. the law simply makes the two people in a civil union legal parents of the child, same as adoption.
     
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    nope. no law exists presuming a woman to be the father, or that a man gave birth to a child.
     
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    Applying

    A person alleged to be a parent shall be rebuttably presumed to be the natural parent of a child if:....
    (4) the child is born while the husband and wife are legally married to each other.


    to married lesbians does just that
     
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    ..........
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Did you have a point you wanted to make?
     
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    I already made it. I directly refuted your argument, again.
     
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    No, you are just fond of proclaiming, again and again that you have done so.
     
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    nope. your argument has been directly refuted. no law exists presuming the woman to be a father, or a man giving birth to a child.
     
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    Two men or two women, both presumed to be the "natural parent" of a child are still in the real world where the natural parents of every child consist of one man and one woman. Natural mothers who give birth and natural fathers who fathered the children.
     
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    yea, still no law existing presuming the woman to be a father, or a man giving birth to a child.

    so like I said, youur argument has been directly refuted.
     
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    Dont confuse your inability to understand, with refuting an argument.
     
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    I understand perfectly well. no law exists presuming a woman as a father or a man giving birth to a child.

    so like I said, your argument has been directly refuted.
     
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    In the modern world we have birth parents- the parents that directly contributed the genetic material to create the child- we have surrogate mother- a woman whose womb is rented but contributes no genetic material- and legal parents.

    Birth parents are most often the legal parents but are not always the legal parents.
    Legal parents are most often the birth parents but are not always.

    Legal parents become parents because of the law- Civil Union laws make any children born while they are together their children, just the way adoption laws gives parental rights.

    Everything else is just bigotry about Gays.
     
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    But the woman wants a "do over". She may not want her child raised by 2 lesbians.
     
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    No, Adoption creates legal parents. These statutes in Vermont make two people of the same sex "natural oarents". Presuming that a husband is the natural parent of any child his wife gives birth to, has some foundation in reason in that more than likely he is the natural father. While it is a physical impossibility for two people of the same sex to both be the natural parents. The law presuming what we know to be an impossibility. Crazy!
     
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    And she's no more entitled to one than anyone else who has made bad relationship choices and now faces the consequences of them as a legal matter.
     
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    § 308. Presumption of parentage

    A person alleged to be a parent shall be rebuttably presumed to be the natural parent of a child if:....

    (4) the child is born while the husband and wife are legally married to each other. (Added 1989, No. 220 (Adj. Sess.), § 31; 1993, No. 228 (Adj. Sess.), § 13.)

    She should have been given the chance for a do over to rebut the presumption.
     

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