More guns - a safer USA

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by FrankCapua, Jul 15, 2014.

  1. Texan

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    Nobody has ever seen my gun outside the range. How have I caused a death? Those that have should be prosecuted and executed.

    Disarming the law abiding will only give criminals a target rich environment. You will see crime go up like it has in Chicago and DC. I'm sure those victims would love to be able to protect themselves.
     
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    I suspect most gun owners who have lost a family member from domestic firearm discharge be it accidental or otherwise thought their guns were securely stored.

    Any government in the developed world that sought to endow their citizenry with such dubious 'freedoms' would be committing electoral suicide based on the US example :(
     
  3. Bowerbird

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    And then there is no reason to disarm you. However there IS a reason to disarm the twonk who leaves his gun on the dashboard of an unlocked car or keeps loaded guns in the reach of 2 year olds
     
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    And this is where you only understand the US

    It was a conservative government in Australia that enacted the gun buy back and other federal gun restrictions and they went on to hold power for more than one election after the event
     
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    no, it is a communistic government in Australia
     
  6. Texan

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    I'm not telling anyone how to live . I'm just laying out the facts in that more guns most certainly do not make the USA safer
     
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    We have introduced 11,000,000 CHLs in America and the murder rate has dropped? Do you have another reason?
     
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    Correlation does not equal causation
     
  10. Texan

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    Every state that has civilians carrying has seen a drop in crime. That's a pretty good coincidence. Crime rates would be much lower if you dropped cities like D.C. and Chicago from the statistics. That's a lot of correlation. What's your opinion of "causation"?
     
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    Why would you attribute the drop in crime to more guns? Is there the possibility that other criteria might be creating less crime?

    I believe it would be a step toward a Utopian society if there were no guns....yup, no guns and no gun deaths....then we could start making
    those cars that gun owners make reference to as machines of death....we could recycle the guns and use the byproduct that is no longer
    killing children....to...somehow...make cars safer...we would immediately gain respect internationally..seems like the diplomatic way to go...can
    I get just one of you gun owners to help me with this project? Safer children...how can you argue against that?
     
  12. Reality

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    How can I argue against that? A) what you suggest will not occur. Even in the UK, and Mexico et al guns still exist in spite of the law. And I'm not even talking about factory made arms I'm talking homemade. All you'll do is disarm law abiding citizens and make them defenseless against criminal predation B) what you suggest won't actually save any children and will put lots of them in danger because their parents won't be able to protect them from criminal predation, being disarmed.
     
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    Absolute nonsense. According to your own FBI figures in 2010 287 legal defensive homicides were carried out by private citizens as opposed to the death or injury of 15,572 children under 15. You are five times more likely to be accidently shot in the home by the firearm you use to defend yourself than you are using it in defence against an intruder. Yes we do stlll have guns in the UK but the odds of being shot by one are more like the odds of winning the lottery and many times less than being killed falling down the stairs
     
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    People attempting to make their own guns? How out of control is that?

    I can't take too much time here today...after seventy-five years of seeking out a criminal to rob me...I have failed..so, must keep searching...AK 47...or 22 in hand....

    Crime happens but you are more likely to shoot the mailman, the neighbor, the paper boy or someone asking for directions than a criminal..you're watching too much television....the normal citizen I know can face the day without a gun...except, of course, in Texas where 'they don't call 911..'...omg...please, take my wallet...oh, you want my gun too....' yes, danger lurks....I know that what I suggest 'will not occur'....I knew it when I suggested it....our politicians are too afraid of the NRA....
     
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    Here why don't you read this scholarly article and tell me what you think.
    http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6938&context=jclc

    Once you've read it we can start again.
     
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    had guns around my kids while they were growing up. Nope, nothing happened......bet that pisses you off.
    want to talk about dogs attacks?
     
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    However scholarly you feel this article is its not very objective. The simple fatal math of this will always work against any defence of your violent 'freedoms'. Your firearm deaths are at least 30 times higher than those of the UK

    As I've said already it would represent electoral suicide for any political party in any other developed democracy to advocate the kind of gun policies the US currently has. We have the US as the example of what not to be like here and nobody is in any hurry to emulate it. Least of all the average man in the street
     
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    Well thats fine that your kids didn't become a statistic. I'll bet you its a lot less so for those parents whose kids have. These never ending High School massacres we hear of with such onerous regularity seem to make no impact at all on the body politic once the excuses and crocodile tears shed after each one have passed . And the real tragedy here is they never will :(
     
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    Did you even read the damn thing?

    How's your violent crime rate? Not so hot huh? You do realize that firearms are not the only weapon in existence right? More than that: How's your liberty? What are you expected to do when assaulted? What are you not allowed to do? etc.

    They are however the most effective tool for defense. My fiance is a 105 lb woman. She's tough but she's not able to stand off a physically superior aggressor in hand to hand, nor would I like her chances if she had any weapon intended to use by main strength. What is her recourse then if she is assaulted etc? Shall I post the stats on who fares better based upon what they do to resist and how much better people with guns do?

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    Wonder why they pick schools? Gun Free ZONES. It is literally a shooting gallery. Allow teachers to be armed, and watch how that changes.
     
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    What're your odds of being assaulted or robbed? Raped? And do attempt to compensate for all those fudged stats your cops have been putting out for years, k?
     
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    try the 2012 report :wink:
     
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    cry me a river.......libs always try the emotional response and as always fall short.
    It wasn't my guns, I wasn't there, Liberals set up the signs that said gun free zone, and left those kids unguarded. And the parents sent them there, they bear some of the responsibility. Technically speaking, there's enough blame to go around for each and every school shooting, but not for me, cuz it would seem the guy that did it is dead, my guns never left the house, I am in no way responsible for any of it.
    You would hold almost 1 million people responsible for the action of one.
    When you toss I cell phone user in jail for 35 years for vehicular manslaughter and start banning cell phones, we'll talk.
     
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    The great bulk of murders in the US are committed by firearms leading to overall murder rates 4.8 times that of the UK. My 'cops' have nothing to with that figure

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
     
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    http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
    You spout such rubbish
     
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    Can't answer the question eh? How is your VIOLENT CRIME rate? What are the odds of being assaulted robbed or raped in addition to murder in the UK?
     

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