Really ? I'm not the one defending the indefensible. The argument here was that guns make you safer when by any realistic statistical comparisons with any other developed country they do not and the math of that is indeniable.
Murder is surely the most violent crime of all and most murders in the US are committed by firearms leading to your nearly 5 times greater overall murder rate.
Math must not be their strong point then because I cited some of their own figures earlier in the thread in order to make my points
you will have to argue with Harvard...the indefensible part is in your court....you'll have to provide math otherwise, eh?
The international comparison figures speak for themselves therefore I have nothing to defend. I didn't just make them up to irritate you.
considering that the UK and Australia have different definitions and laws surrounding violent crime it is impossible to compare these countries
For the Nth time - that "journal" was a student rag and not an academic publication It was not peer reviewed
Not arguing that with you. I asked what your nations violent crime rate was. - - - Updated - - - It is not. Chart instances where someone is robbed assaulted raped or murdered per capita. Here's a hint: someone has already done the work for you all you have to do is use google
Bowerbird addressed this already. Given the definitions of such crimes vary so much from country to country that would be impossible and of course a complete irrelevence to this thread on guns. Curious that you'd rather not argue any defence for your 5 times greater murder rate. This crime is defined far more closely from country to country and is therefore easier to directly compare
And as I explained to bower if you'd bother to Google someone has already done the legwork. Here's a hint: yall don't fare so well. In my country I have the ability to defend myself the right to defend myself and the right to the tools necessary to do so. No one ever said freedom was safe hoss. And there is no famous quote declaring " give me 100 percent safety or give me death"
You cannot argue that more guns mean more violent crime unless it is your contention that there are fewer guns now than there were 5 years ago, which would be absurd.
I did google it and UK gun murders 2001 were 96 with the latest figure I have being 39 in 2012. I guess all those gun bans are working then We also have the lowest overall crime rate in 32 years with a particularly large drop in violent crime over that same period. Looks like no guns really is safer Unfortunately that gun will now statistically put your family at five times more risk of death or serious injury than any criminal invasion of your home. Ergo guns do not make you safer
I didn't make anything up either, I just provided a study that conflicted your math. I have nothing to defend either. - - - Updated - - - I tried to give Flogger a heads up....2012 is more recent than 2010. It's all in what supports their beliefs, eh!
Grin, well said, flogger. I don't have statistics, but anecdotally, I was chased around my house by my fourth wife with a knife. She flung it at me and I heard the whoosh by my ear before it stuck in the wall. The next month she chased me around the house with my 12 gauge shotgun. She tried to club me with it, but missed again. My conclusion? Knives are more dangerous than guns, because I would rather be chased by a crazy woman with a shotgun than one with a knife. Now you may laugh, but if she knew where I kept my shotgun shells, I might have a different opinion.
I know lots of folks who own guns and have kids in the house. Sorry but your statistics mean squat to those of us not recognized in some absurd research done by a politically biased source no accidently shootings, no laws broken............you must be reading the back pages/cliff notes
I've got a heads up for you UK 2012 gun murders 39 out of 551 overall US 2012 gun murders 9,146 out of 14,173 overall Not a lot more needs said there really
There is one thing that needs to be said: In the US, more guns does NOT mean more violent crime, contrary to your assertion.
Hint - even your FBI says you cannot compare crimes between countries - i.e. you cannot compare "rape" because Australia does not keep statistics on rape - - - Updated - - - It does mean more gun violence which is what is clearly shown
'Gun violence' is an incomplete picture. One cannot accurately and honestly gauge the effect of guns on society by only looking at part of the picture. The presence of guns in the hands of criminals aggravates the problem, while the presence of guns in the hands of good guys mitigates it. If you only look at the aggravating components without taking into account the mitigating components, then you have a skewed result. If presenting a skewed result fits your agenda, then by all means, continue to present it. Thinking folks will not be fooled. For us, overall violent crime is the important statistic. Ours is plummeting, as gun sales and CCPs skyrocket. Clearly, and indisputably, more guns do NOT mean more violent crime.
