More than 100 Republicans, including former governors and lawmakers, are threatening to form a third

I wouldn't call it my "Standard argument." I would simply say it fits you on this subject in this thread. Is there anyone on the right who agrees with you that it's the neo cons who are the ones staying with the party?

 

In GOP, survival means allowing Trump’s election lie to live on

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e7e8a6816e7945f/9/57/60a0ed389d2fdae3025262e0


If that is the case........ thee foundation for their new ideology is fragile indeed.

 

Maybe they'll form a 4th party, but I have a feeling they'll stay where they have always been, - with the Republican party.

 

What do you know besides 100 former Republicans are making threats? Do you know how many people actually support them?

This will affect less than 1% of the party. If you think this will split the party you are the king of wishfull thinking as the song says.

 

In GOP survival means fighting back against the Democrats and not letting them take over.

Anyone who sides with the Democrats has no bussiness being in the GOP. These former Republicans are butthurt over Liz Cheney and will have no affect on the party. Just a publicity stunt.

 

Did you actually say this was the last straw for Republicans? You don't seem to know much about politics or you are just having a fantasy that this somehow will hurt the GOP.

A third party would have little support and still vote Republican. The Tea party voted Republican.

Come the midterms Republicans will vote Republican. This only affects presidential elections and won't even be a issue in 4 years. The media needs something to talk about because Joe Biden is boring.

I stand with Trump and all MAGA Republicans.

 

It will never happen. Also the Democrats are losing alot of party members so they are not doing that great right now.

 

Funny how some people never have anything good to say about Republicans until one of them decides to stand against the rest.

I'm not saying this is you although you seem to lean to the left but ALOT of people never even mentioned her name let alone liked her until Republicans wanted her gone. Now all of a sudden they think she is the greatest thing ever.

Only Democrat I like is Tulsi Gabbard and it's not just because of her stance but because I actually agree with some of her policies.

I doubt these people can actually name any policies of Liz Cheney's they like. Now that she is anti Trump she is cool people for them.

 

Why can't the Democrats have two parties too? They have gone radical far left after all.

I don't see anyone wanting the Republican party to split except those that seem to not like the Republicans. This is nothing more than political bias in hopes the Republiccans will lose elections.

 

You base this claim off inacurate polls.

I have yet to see a single person call for a third party. The desperation from some people to see the Republican party weakened is all this is.

 

We already have a strong and more diverse conservative party. What makes you think the MAGA crowd is not conservative enough?

 

Pro is the "King of wishfull thinking" as the song goes.

 

Sorry, here's your sign.

 

As I already mentioned, 63% of Republicans think a new party is needed. There are people who are more married to conservative principles than the Republican party, which is no longer conservative.

There are 94 Dems who consider themselves conservative, and I think they would be happy to join a new conservative/moderate party. Why wouldn't they?

Then the populist Republican party is the place for you. Why not let conservatives from both parties form a new party?

I know plenty. Personally I have been voting 3rd party for a long time, even thought there hasn't actually been a 3rd party of any significance.

Either they are conservative or they are not, and they are not. Heck, even Rand Paul called them out and said there is no conservative party in US when GOP is in power. He said they behaviour practically defines the word "hypocrisy" and "intellectual dishonesty". The first thing they did after getting majority was to hike spending by 20% with no plan to fund it, and sure enough, debt increased 8 trillion in 4 years while your maga-man was running things.

 

Hard to square that with 80% of Republicans believing Liz Cheney needed ousting.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/republicans-liz-cheney-opinion-poll/

Do you have a link for that poll of Republicans wanting a new party?

You should watch the very good interview with one of the movement's organizers, Miles Taylor, who was Chief of Staff at the Dept. of Homeland Security, under Pres. Trump, in @Durandal 's thread on this same topic. Mr. Taylor makes it clear that reform of the GOP, or at least supporting room for a, "not crazy," contingent of Republicans, within the Party, is their main focus. Starting a new party, he calls, "the Mount Everest of political objectives," in the interview (which begins just shy of 4 mins in).

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/new-anti-trump-movement-within-the-gop.588091/

 

The Democrats are in denial that half of their party is ready to bolt rather than be eaten alive by identity politics.
(Welcome to PF, BTW. Where sanity has survived);

 

Yes, I posted it: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...to-form-a-third.587954/page-2#post-1072635757

https://news.gallup.com/poll/329639/support-third-political-party-high-point.aspx

"Independents are usually much more likely than Republicans or Democrats to favor a third political party, but in the current poll, Republicans are nearly as likely as independents to hold this view, 63% to 70%. That represents a dramatic shift for Republicans since last September when 40% favored a third party."

Good. They can leave and support the new party.

 

How can 63% of Republicans want a new party if 80% of all Republicans want Liz Cheney gone. This proves that one of these polls is wrong or they are both inaccurate. Why people believe so much in polls I will never know.

I have yet to see a single Republican on any social media website say they want or support this third party. This is clearly being over exaggerated by the media and leftwing liberals are believing all the spoon fed BS hoping this will somehow hurt the Republicans.

Then comes the midterms. Republicans will all vote Republican and we will take back the house and hopefully the Senate. No third party Republicans are running and even if they do they will still be Republican.

This will be long over before the presidential election and Republicans will still vote for the top Republican before letting a Democrat win.

This is nothing more than noise and will have the same results as all of the Democrats leaving thier party. Nothing will change.

It will forever be a 2 party system.

 

The poll with 63% was taken in February, so its not just because of Cheney. The percentage is probably even higher after her cancellation.

You tell me. Clearly you believe the other poll about Cheney's cancellation.

That doesn't mean anything. I posted a link with 100+ Republicans, including former reps and Governors, so how can you say you never heard of a single one?

Its not about presidential election.

Maybe it will never happen, but sure hope it will. We need a conservative/moderate party in addition to the two parties which are now ran by hacks.

 

The problem is that these attitudes regularly shift, and the poll you are using is from the end of January - beginning of February. Second, even bigger problem is that the data suggests the biggest driver of this positive response to a 3rd party are from Republicans who want Trump to remain head of the GOP; i.e., they are not Republicans who want to join that 3rd party, but rather Republicans who want the non-Trump Republicans OUT!

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The latest results are from a Jan. 21-Feb. 2 poll. The survey was conducted before recent news reports that dozens of government officials in prior Republican administrations were in discussions to form an anti-Donald Trump third political party.

The survey found Americans' favorable opinion of the Republican Party has declined to 37%, while 48% view the Democratic Party positively. The poll also shows 50% of U.S. adults identifying as political independents, the highest percentage Gallup has ever measured in a single poll.

Gallup first asked about the need for a third party in 2003. At that time, most Americans did not think it was necessary, with 56% saying the parties were doing an adequate job representing the American people and 40% saying a third party was needed.

In several election years -- 2006, 2008 and 2012 -- Americans were divided as to whether a third party was needed, but since 2012, Americans have consistently favored the idea.

Majority of Republicans Now Favor Third Party
(Your snip, above)...
Republicans' current level of support for a third party is also the highest Gallup has measured for Republicans or Democrats in Gallup's trend. The previous high was 54% for Democrats in 2018. Currently, 46% of Democrats endorse a third party, down from 52% in September.


Republicans' record desire for a third party comes at a time when they are deciding whether to remain loyal to Trump or to move on from him.

Currently, 68% of Republicans prefer that Trump remain the party leader, while 31% want the party to have a new leader. Republican-leaning independents, however, are divided, with 47% wanting Trump to continue leading and 51% preferring a new voice.

Republicans' preferences for a third party are similar among those who want Trump to continue to lead the party and among those who prefer a new leader.

An analysis that takes into account preference for a third party -- and preference of Trump leading the party -- finds that 41% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents both favor a third party and want Trump to be the leader of the GOP. Meanwhile, 28% favor a third party but want a new leader for the GOP.

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Lastly, note that the 46% of Dems who responded positively to the idea of a third party was down from 54% in 2018, 52% last Sept., and not very much higher than it was for the entire country, back in 2003. This is further evidence that your concept of a union of centrist-conservative Dems with Trumpless Republicans, is a figment of your wishes, more than any tangible possibility.

 

No idea how you arrived at that conclusion, but if true, then I am glad the feeling is mutual. It would be like a friendly divorce rather than a hostile one. Yes, Trump can be the leader of the populist GOP, while conservatives form a conservative party.

How do you figure? There are conservative Dems and they would be happy to join a party which is more in line with their views. Who cares what % of Dems want a new party, but if 46% of them want a new party, then the interest is definitely there.

 

That statement shows how little you know about neo cons. They came from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party, and now they are going back.

 

Going back to a party which has never existed before....... Allrighty then. Common sense has left the building.

Whatever you say little Mike.

 

Huh? The Democrats have existed quite a long time. Is your argument that they don't exist?

Getting popcorn...

 

Sorry you are having such a hard time with this.

We are talking about conservatives forming a new party, and for whatever reason, you choose to characterize them as "neo-con" when they are obviously not, and then you said "they are going back" someplace. Apparently you cannot comprehend that no one is going back anyplace. Conservatives want to form a new party. Get it?

The idea of conservatives wanting to form a new party really seems to hit a nerve with some people.