Negotiate Peace With Russia to Prevent War Over Ukraine

No, not directly, but China and Russia characterize their relationship as '"more than allies", so there's that.

China is not happy with Ukraine at this time, however, so is not inclined to offer any help in resolving this issue.

https://www.silkroadbriefing.com/ne...-sourced-goods-to-poland-are-refused-transit/

 

This "on the border" trope is a dangerous mischaracterization of just where those Russian troops are. They are at a base at least 80 miles from the border with Ukraine.

The fact is that Russia would not need to set one foot into Ukraine to utterly destroy it. Ukraine knows this, the US knows this, NATO knows this and Russia knows they know this. This manufactured crisis is not about those Russian troops.

 

1. I don’t think it’s an issue on the grand scheme of things.
2. I noticed an interesting thing in the article - Ukraine complained that Poland won’t take back empty railroad cars. In LA we’ve heard about the bulk of empty containers interfering with the supply chain. I’m beginning to wonder if the supply chain problem was manufactured by some player.

 

Since you read the article, you must have noticed that China has put billions into Ukraine, but is now looking at other countries for transit. And it's not like it's looking for a Russia-friendly country, since since any route west will involve a country decidedly not friendly to Russia.

 

A lot of propaganda there with no substance. Russia has beaten the US and Canada in wheat exports. The only foods still imported other than luxury products are some milk products from Finland. As for meats, they now export it.

The US still has to buy its rockets from Russia, and as someone said, it's better that the US bans cell phones, that way Russia will start producing their own.




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That’s true, but an empty railroad car poses a bigger problem than an empty semi-container. The containers can be stocked on top of each other, while empty cars take up limited space. The problem seems temporary in nature and alleviating this problem would either require building more track for storage, or taking container cars off railroad track and leaving them elsewhere.

 

There are 950 million people combined in the NATO countries. There is 150 million in Russia. Expanding NATO to include Ukraine to repel the big bad bear looks more like the new ussr as opposed to Russia wanting a security guarantee.

Only in the minds of brainwashed Americans can the 150 million be the aggressor when confronted by 950 million.

The 2014 Coup. The destruction of Yugoslavia. That wasn't Russia.

 

It looks like you are unaware that NATO is a treaty organization organized to defend against conquest. It is not a government.

And, the aggressor in this case is very clearly Russia - they are the ones threatening conquest.

That shouldn't be confusing to you.

As for Yugoslavia, are you thinking about the NATO action taken to end the ethnic cleansing of Albanians? Do you think NATO should have allowed the slaughter to continue?

 

Yes and the 1776 Revolution in the US was not Russian either so what is your point?

Your point is that if anyone in any country who does not want to be ruled by Russian or other forms of corruption and/or totalitarianism and rebels against it its not genuine they are simply an American plot. Now you want to repeat again who is brainwashed?

Tell me "Bill Carson" are you going to tell me as an American you can't get your singular and plural verb references right? Really?

By the way "Bill"you being American let me say something to you in American:

Вы боитесь, что русский народ восстанет против Путина.


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I just can't get over this total nonsense!!

Ukraine is a sovereign country of 44M, not 950M.

Plus, the UN passed a resolution some years back guaranteeing Ukraine's borders and independence. And, Ukraine is a member of the UN Security Council.

Please give ONE DAMN JUSTIFICATION for abandoning Ukraine to conquest by Russia.

 

So the Ukrainian people want to be a part of the EU and adopt Western values rather
than Russian ones.
If America never existed underlying dynamics would be no different. Ukraine doesn't
want to be under Russian rule, just as Israeli Arabs don't want to be under Fatah or
Hamas rule. Or Kurds don't want to be under Turkish or Arab rule. Or Tibetans and
Taiwanese don't want to be under Chinese rule.

 

Chinese media is owned by one corporation.
Russian media is owned by one corporation.
North Korea media is owned by one corporation.
Vietnam's media is owned by one corporation.
Cuba's media is owned by one corporation.
Iran's media is owned by one corporation.
Gaza's media is owned by one corporation.
etc
etc
etc

Six corporations sounds pretty good.

 

What would have Greece needed to do in order to exclude foreign factory ships?

I'd point out that there are foreign factory ships just outside US waters, too. And, that does affect our fisheries.

What would pretty much starving Gaza have to do to fish their legal waters?

 

Spent any time in North Korea? Is this independent, self-sufficient kingdom on your bucket list?
Bet it is.
Australia dumped its highly protected car industry - it was costing every car buyer $4,000. Now
we just import. Alas,we are no longer self sufficient in cars.
And Australia, the driest continent, continues to grow rice. Why not import rice and pay with the
export of iron ore and coal? No, the Jeannettes insist we need to be 'self sufficient' in rice even if
we have to suck what's left of the water out of the rivers.

There's something wonderful about co-operation, free trade, dependency and open markets.

 

NONE of those nations is within a light year of being a measure of "pretty good".

And, for a country our size, the corporate concentration in media is FAR from being "pretty good", too.

 

Yeah ya'll can't get over a lot of things...going so far as the auto-complete grammar police. Nine hundred and fifty million combined population of the NATO member countries. You can't read either? 950! I didn't say the armpit of Europe had 950M people.

One justification? Because the Ukies are playing you for fools whilst getting rich off of US taxpayers. If Ukie land becomes a NATO member (the same Ukie land ran by ****ing nationalist idiots), then they will start a war with Russia and thus WW3 thereafter...article 5 and all that bullshit. Ukraine is a corrupt ****ing shithole. There are 2 or 3 Ukrainian posters here that are Bandera supporters (the Neo-nazi types). So use your common sense and figure it out.

 

"American" is not a language. Your other mistake- "it its not", aside from the improper sentence structure, should be 'it's' instead of 'its'.

• Its is a possessive form of the pronoun it, meaning belonging to it.

• It’s is a contraction of the words it is or it has.

Any more smart remarks from you comrade? You boys have lost the argument when you stoop to be the grammar police.

 

The number of people in NATO nations is irrelevant to the issue of whether Ukraine is sovereign.

Is Ukraine sovereign or not?

Is a UN guarantee of borders to be totally ignored?

I just don't see you thinking through this in any reasonable way.

What US taxpayers spend on Ukraine may be a mistake for America, but it sure isn't a justification for allowing Russian conquest!! How did THAT make sense to you???

And, how could you possibly think that some idiots on this board are a justification for conquest??

Seriously - you need to do way better than that.

 

Do better? What if Putin rammed some missiles up our asses right across the border in Mexico or Cuba? You cool with that bro?? No you're not. So why the **** do you think Putin is cool with US weapons in Ukraine?

Do you need time to think that over?

Furthermore, Ukraine has NO RIGHT to become a NATO member. NATO is not even supposed to be 1 inch to the east of Germany. Sure, those corrupt SOBs are sovereign. Join the EU, nobody cares. But genocide of ethnic Russians and US arms on Ukrainian soil is a death wish.

Lastly, we aren't the world's police! No American should die fighting for some *******s in Kiev that started a fight with Russia.

 

I'm not asking him to be "cool" with that.

I'm stating that Ukraine gets to be a sovereign nation.

Putin has stated a direction that calls for USSR republics being subsumed by Russia at his pleasure. Then he emphasized that with his approach to Crimea.

You can't expect that to be of no serious concern to other sovereign countries in the region.

NATO is a treaty that calls for borders and sovereignty to remain stable as they are.

The UN treaty states that using military force to increase the size of a country is not permitted. In fact, the UN has been explicit about that with Ukraine.

Russia is a signatory of the UN.

You have not come up with any justification for ignoring these facts.


This is not an issue of Ukraine joining the EU. I'd doubt the EU would have them, as there are differences that are simply too great.

 

How many countries out of almost 200 countries on planet Earth have their own processor and OS. And Russia is at least developing its own "Baikal" ... without much success, however, but nevertheless it works under the conditions of competition with "Inte"l in "AMD"

Do you mean China will block all smartphones?

But who has told you such a thing that Russia is going to lead its troops somewhere? Here Ukraine will live for a couple of months in fear of war, and then, together with Biden, they will proudly tell how they stopped Putin, who did not attack, because he was afraid of the Sanky and Ukrainian outcasts with an American machine gun.

 

Amen, LOL!

Also, Russia spent years ferrying US astronauts to our joint space station - and back!

I'm thinking they had some computing power to do that, plus some engineering chops, or we wouldn't have been buying seats from them at $80M a pop while we had no way to get there on our own!!

 

Is such an argument as: "Russia, as a sovereign state, has to move troops across its territory without agreement with Ukraine" is accepted?

Russia had plenty of time to conquer someone in the period 2014-2021. Why right now?

Why does he need Ukraine, even if he withdrew the CSTO forces from Kazakhstan. He left Georgia in 2008. Did not take advantage of Azerbaijan and Armenia last year, taking advantage of their mess. So why exactly Ukraine?

 

No one's saying there shouldn't be trade, but there shouldn't be such a dependency on others for necessities' that if something goes amiss you won't survive.

 

Everything the US does, is projected onto Russia. We're constantly fostering regime changes and breaking up nations, so we're either assuming Russia will do the same - or we're planning to start a war between Ukraine and Russia with the hope it will become a quagmire for Vladimir Putin and he'll be removed.

Russia cannot afford to incorporate and bring the Donbas economy up to par with Russia. As an example, it took West Germany ten years to recover its economy after uniting with East Germany. Incorporating \Donetsk and Lugansk might be a different matter, since Kiev's actions towards them has forced Russia to take over much of their commerce and banking.

Here's a quote from an article in Southfront:

"...At the same time, Ukraine continues to concentrate strike forces in the east of the country. On January 24, it was reported that the UAF deployed a significant number of engineering and sapper equipment designed to make passages in minefields to ensure military offensive actions. On January 25, information was received from DPR officials that multiple rocket launchers and new tank units had arrived in the region to form strike groups. Combat aircraft of some NATO countries are arriving in Poland, the Baltic States and Bulgaria.

It seems that a certain part of the Washington and Brussels establishment are doing their utmost to unleash a war in Eastern Europe. In this light, the conflict can be prevented only by the joint efforts of Russia and the largest European states, such as Germany and France..."

https://southfront.org/war-coming-to-europe/


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