New Poll: 72 percent say media ‘dividing Americans,’ spreading ‘hate’

Simple fact is that Obama did not have to approve any of those expenditures, but he chose to do so. Obama's increase in national debt, pure and simple.

 

Great post.

 

If you don't know budgets and fed gov't budget cycles, that is on you.
Why not go find my link and show how it is wrong. It compares many prez's with the exact same criteria.
Why you use intentional untruth numbers?

 

"Yes, congress spends, so why did you even bother to bring up obama and the untruth about him doubling the deficit?"

Yet those are the standards you use to bash Reagan and Bush

 

My numbers are readily available. All you have to is google "national debt" on those dates. Those were the official national debt on those dates. As I said before, Obama did not have to spend the money. Many republicans, including myself did not believe we should be bailing out banks and other corporations.

 

Funny. I use his very own method to show he was wrong. Doesn't mean I think the prez has the power to actually spend.
Funny, you saw fit to troll me, but the one who 1st posted the intentional untruth you don't bother to troll. It's ok though. It's expected.

 

Your numbers may be available. So what. They're not relevant to the topic. One must understand fiscal year. What that means, and who is attributed to what fiscal year.

I also was not in favor of taxpayer bailout. But, it happened, and the recession turned. Maybe it's why we aren't economists.

 

I merely commented on your obvious double standard of excusing Obama by blaming congress as you blamed Reagan and Bush and gave congress a pass.

 

Excusing? How did I excuse it? I merely pointed out he raised the deficit less than the RW heros Reagan and Bush.
Now you're making stuff up.
And the other dude made up crap by saying obama doubled the deficit. Yet you just troll me. But I expect it from you.

 

To be fair it’s not all media. It’s mainly CNN and NBC as well as the Post and NY Times. Liberal rages that spread propaganda for the DNC and prey on the lest of us

 

Fiscal year 2009 began on October 1st 2008. Bush was president until January 20, 2009. The FY 2009 budget was not approved until March 2009.

The national debt at the beginning of FY 2009 was 10.0 Trillion. The national debt when Bush left office was 10.6 Trillion. The national debt at the end of FY 2009 was 11.9 Trillion. During FY 2009, Bush was responsible for 0.6 Trillion and Obama was responsible for 1.3 Trillion for a total national debt increase of 1.9 Trillion during FY2009.

 

BY KIMBERLY AMADEO

Updated November 07, 2018
Which president ran the largest budget deficits? There are two ways to answer that question. The most popular way is to add up the deficits for each year the president was in office. But a president doesn’t control the first year’s deficit. The previous president’s federal budget is still in effect for most of that year. The federal government's fiscal year runs from October 1 through September 30. As a result, a new president has no influence on the deficit for January through September of that first year.
...
President Barack Obama: Total = $6.785 trillion, a 57 percent increase.

• FY 2017 - $666 billion. Although Trump requested additional spending, Congress did not approve it.
• FY 2016 - $585 billion.
• FY 2015 - $438 billion.
• FY 2014 - $485 billion.
• FY 2013 - $679 billion.
• FY 2012 - $1.087 trillion.
• FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion.
• FY 2010 - $1.547 trillion. This is the sum of $1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget.
• ...

President Ronald Reagan: Total = $1.412 trillion, a 142 percent increase.

• FY 1989 - $153 billion.
• FY 1988 - $155 billion.
• FY 1987 - $150 billion.
• FY 1986 - $221 billion.
• FY 1985 - $212 billion.
• FY 1984 - $185 billion.
• FY 1983 - $208 billion.
• FY 1982 - $128 billion.

https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-president-what-budget-deficits-hide-3306151

The real measure is to use each prez's FY years they are responsible for.

You've now posted stats 2X with no source/link. Why?

 

LOL, what a perfect typo, since rage is what fuels liberal rags.

FWIW I agree with you, it's not all media to blame. The most dangerous is the mainstream media, precisely because the average Joe assumes it's mainstream, moderate, accurate and neutral, without realizing how left it leans, how toxic it is, or how much propaganda it is pushing.

 

They're making money off Trump spreading fear and hate. Are you suggesting they ignore the guy?

 

The Best Way to Measure Debt by President
You can measure the debt by president by summing up his budget deficits. The president is responsible for his budget priorities.

The deficit by president reveals how much deficit was in each year's budget.

The terminology sounds similar, but a difference exists between the deficit and the debt by president. All presidents can employ a little sleight of hand to reduce the appearance of the deficit. For example, they can borrow from federal retirement funds.
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Ronald Reagan: President Reagan increased the debt by 186 percent. Reaganomics added $1.86 trillion. Reagan's brand of supply-side economics didn't grow the economy enough to offset the lost revenue from its tax cuts. That was partly because Reagan increased the defense budget by 35 percent.


George W. Bush: President Bush added $5.849 trillion, the second-greatest dollar amount. It was the fourth-largest percentage increase. Bush increased the debt by 101 percent from where it started at $5.8 trillion on September 30, 2001. That's the end of FY 2001, which was President Clinton's last budget.

Bush launched the War on Terror in response to the 9/11 attacks. The War on Terror included two wars. The War in Afghanistan cost $1 trillion and the Iraq War cost $807.5 billion. They increased military spending to record levels of $600 billion to $800 billion a year.

President Bush also responded to the 2001 recession by passing the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act and the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act. He approved a $700 billion bailout package for banks to combat the 2008 global financial crisis. Both Presidents Bush and Obama had to contend with higher mandatory spending for Social Security and Medicare.

Barack Obama: Under President Obama, the national debt grew the most dollar-wise. He added $8.588 trillion. This 74 percent increase was the fifth-largest. Obama's budgets included the economic stimulus package. It added $831 billionby cutting taxes, extending unemployment benefits, and funding public works projects.

The Obama tax cuts added $858 billion to the debt in two years. Obama's budget increased defense spending to between $700 billion and $800 billion a year. Federal income was down, thanks to lower tax receipts from the 2008 financial crisis. He also sponsored the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. It was designed to reduce the debt by $143 billion over 10 years. But these savings didn't show up until the later years.
https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296

A breakdown of 3 of the top 5. Yes, 2 prez's were worse. War prez's.

 

Or how mainstream with most Americans they really are.
For the news media is a product. They provide information, that people will watch, so they get viewship, which sets the rates they can charge for advertising.
Advertising pays the bills. Not a political party.

 

MSM = Fake News

Thats why virtually nobody still trusts the MSM.

 

All those numbers are readily available. But here you go:
http://www.polidiotic.com/by-the-numbers/us-national-debt-by-year/
When you google "National debt on Jan 20 2009" at the top you get "On Jan. 20, 2009, when Obama took office, the gross federal debt (which includes both public and intragovernmental debt) was $10.63 trillion."

You left out FY 2009 for Obama. The FY 2009 budget was not approved until March 2009 while Obama was in office.

 

I'm suggesting that you misread the subject matter.

 

Actually you don't but if you would care to educate yourself suggest you look at the percentage of the failed mortgages that were originated by Fanny and Freddy and then report back.

You can read this for a start:

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-FCIC/pdf/GPO-FCIC.pdf

Or if you are too lazy to actually read the report and learn here is a key excerpt from page 27. Suggest you at least read this particular page.


"We conclude that these two entities contributed to the crisis, but were not a pri- mary cause. Importantly, GSE mortgage securities essentially maintained their value throughout the crisis and did not contribute to the significant financial losses that were central to the financial crisis. "

And another excerpt:


"The Commission also probed the performance of the loans purchased or guaran- teed by Fannie and Freddie. While they generated substantial losses, delinquency rates for GSE loans were substantially lower than loans securitized by other nancial rms. For example, data compiled by the Commission for a subset of borrowers with similar credit scores—scores below —show that by the end of , GSE mort- gages were far less likely to be seriously delinquent than were non-GSE securitized mortgages: "

 

It's getting to be ALL media.

Take a look at The Handmaid's Tale, a science fiction book written in 1985, and a box office movie flop in 1990. It's basically that all men are fascists.

Budget $13,000,000
Box office $4,960,385[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Handmaid's_Tale_(film)

So they bring it out in 2017 as a TV series on Hulu, after Trump wins the election. They are in season 2 now. Economically, it isn't wise to create a TV series of a movie that FLOPPED, unless they are trying to brainwash people.

The original plot ". . . and pollution has rendered 99% of the population sterile. Kate ("Offred") is a woman who attempts to emigrate to Canada with her husband and daughter. As they take a dirt road, the Gilead (U.S.) Border Guard orders them to turn back or they will open fire."

That certainly explains a lot of the anger toward Trump, his policies, and supporters. It's partially based upon a science fiction novel.

Steve

 

You don't "get it," do you?

 

Correct.

I don't get the nutjobs.

 

You don't get much of anything. You're a Trumpite...

 

Hey, I just look at the corrupt SOBs, who oppose him. That tells me all that I need to know.