New Poll: 72 percent say media ‘dividing Americans,’ spreading ‘hate’

You are mistaken.

All Americans benefit from his policies.

 

I agree with everything you just said, but a Democratic Socialist system does a better job dealing with the issues you cited than our self-serving, outdated, dis-compassionate Capitalism. Democratic Socialist states work with capitalism combined with elements of socialism to improve things for everyone. Our system increasingly only serves the wealthy. We need to learn from successful Democratic Socialist nations like Norway, Denmark, Sweden, France, Canada, etc. Any belief that our system is "superior" to theirs is simply propaganda. Yes, there are aspects of our culture that is superior to European, and we should strive to retain those. But there are aspects of W European Democratic Socialist systems that are clearly superior to what we have, and we should be excited to learn from them as a means of improving ourselves.

 

How?

 

We can always learn. This is a problem that China has. What I understand of them, they think that because they have a 6000yr history, they can't learn from the young upstarts.

I disagree with your point that our system "increasingly only serves the wealthy". We are trying to move away from such class-based distinctions. All might benefit if we each pull our own oars.

 

He is trying to improve the competitevness of American businesses. This would improve the outlook for American workers

 

All Americans don't benefit from Trump's policies of treating our allies like diseased organisms while cuddling up to our declared enemies regardless of what they've done or continue doing. Trump doesn't benefit most Americans by setting tariffs on imported goods, making them more expensive (except for the wealthy of course, who couldn't care less). Trump benefits no one by ignoring the growing evidence that global warming is not only real, but the greatest threat to us and all humanity right now. He fails as a leader by ignoring that evidence. Trump is doing Americans no favor by regressing us to past policies that encourage the use of fossil fuels, that poison our air, our people, and reward no one except the wealthy oil magnates. Trump benefits no one by splitting young children from immigrants with no way of reuniting them, making America a criminal nation for kidnapping, and making us responsible for the welfare of those children for years to come. Trump benefits no American by breaking past trade agreements with nations around the world for no reason other than "America First greed." These actions dishonor our word as a nation, and call into question whether anyone anywhere can trust us with any agreement. These unilateral actions by Trump undermine future trade agreements and our ability to forge agreements with anyone down the road. A nation's greatness is not measured by its ability or willingness to impose its self over others by threat or force. A nation's greatness lies in how it improves the lives of people within its borders & around the world. America can NEVER be "great again" under the leadership of a man like Trump.

 

Statistically speaking, American has gone from having 20% of the wealthiest families owning 80% of total American wealth in 1980, to less than 2% of our wealthiest families owning 98% of our nation's wealth today. This supports the growing fact that American Capitalism serves ONLY the wealthy of our society, and is a miserable failure for the general populace.

 

How does the wealth of someone else affect you?

 

I have learned an important but little known lesson during my life. Cooperation is FAR more productive than competition for getting things done. Competition always produces far more losers than winners, which reduces the possibility of everyone sharing the goods. Cooperation rewards everyone participating, so, more people sharing the work, more goods resulting. Both Capitalism & competition are given credit where credit is not due. Democratic forms of socialism utilize far more cooperative efforts than capitalism, which is why it is so successful in W Europe.

 

If 50 of the wealthiest families in America own or control 80 or 90 percent of the businesses, then that directly affects where & how I find employment, and the working environment and/or benefits that will be available to me as a worker. That's pretty powerful points of interest to my life and others, that are decided without our personal input. Also, those same families control who and where and when and how much politics & politicians affect our living environment. Capitalism works with & for these wealthy families, and they in turn decide what will be available in the living environment for me and other workers like me as choices in their lives. Democratic Socialism would allow many new choices for the less wealthy to non-wealthy classes, because not all choices would be based on economics alone.

 

Maybe I'm tired of the fake cooperation that you promote.

I am not interested in surrendering any more to you.

It's past time for you to compromise with me.

How about you concede something, for a change?

 

Wait! Back up. How does what the wealthiest families own affect how you choose to gain employment?
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Are you totally unaware that those evil rich tried to install Hillary as President, and are opposing Trump on every issue?

Does that not tell you something?

 

First of all, I'm not competing with you. I'm having a friendly thoughtful and thought-provoking discussion with you, with the hope that by sharing ideas and perspectives, we enrich each other's lives. None of us are entirely right. All of us have ideas or perspectives which contain merit, and might combine with something lying unused & hidden within us for some time, in a new & exciting way. Learning is a life-long process. It's good for us all. I am a liberal, and find myself disagreeing with conservative perspectives often. But I'm under no illusion that we liberals have all the answers. Sometimes I've had conservatives on this forum take me into places I have a hard time facing or admitting I may have been wrong, or at least had an incomplete view of the issue. I hope we all face that periodically.

 

1. The wealthy build businesses that hire workers. My choices for employment depend on what kinds of businesses are built in my locale. My employment depends on how my skills match up with the types of businesses hiring, and how they see me as an individual based on standards set by the company owned by the wealthy investors. The benefits they offer me as an inducement to work for them depend on the owner's philosophical perspective. Benefits offered or not offered affect me personally if I'm hired. What the wealthy own and how they control it and how they control who's involved with it, all impact me as a worker from the outset.
2. I'm aware that a group of super rich individuals & some families did support Hillary and tried hard in any way possible to get her elected. I'm also aware that the same could be said about Trump. Truth seems to be, wealthy families & individuals have a great deal to say in regards to our political leaders, and what they do while in office. I suspect that's always been true, since the founding fathers, but it's more consequential now because more Americans are well educated than ever before, and we live in a society that is highly mobile, diverse, and as of recently, highly polarized politically. Gradually, more people are becoming aware that processes & systems put into place generations ago when society was very different, are now blocking the voice of many voters, while remaining responsive to the desires of the wealthy. This could eventually lead to political stalemates threatening for all Americans. I hope we fix it first.

 

By "fake cooperation", I mean the type offered by the Democrat party. This, under a different name, means total capitulation.

Just witness Trump's totally reasonable framework for immigration reform. Schumer refused to even discuss it without a total concession to the Democrat bargaining points. How is that honest bargaining? I give you what you want, up front, then ask you to give me what I want? Yeah. Like that's going to work..

Thanks for being civil. Please forgive my anger. I am just fed up with the dishonest crap that the Schumers pull.

 

I have no issues with actual, honest liberals. I often disagree with them, but sometimes see that they have valid points. Where I have a problem, is with their alignment with leftists, and the usage of the leftist tactics of hate and division.

I'm just fed up to here with that crap.

Sorry, but I have drawn the line. I will give no more.

 

The media was forced to report more disappointing news about Trump. No wonder they are blamed for dividing America.

At the Helsinki summit regarding Russian interference in our election, Trump rejected American intelligence and agreed with the communist dictator of Russia, Vladimir Putin. Trump said he did not "see any reason why" Russia would be responsible. "I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today," Trump said.

Speaking at a rally, Trump explained how he fell in love with the North Korean communist dictator, Kim Jong Un. "I was really tough and so was he, and we went back and forth. And then we fell in love, OK? No, really, he wrote me beautiful letters, and they’re great letters. We fell in love.”

"We have the tape, I don't want to hear the tape, no reason for me to hear the tape," Trump said in the interview broadcast on "Fox News Sunday." When Wallace asked why he did not want to hear the recording, Trump said: "Because it's a suffering tape, it's a terrible tape. I've been fully briefed on it. There's no reason for me to hear it."

He is bowing to the communist dictator of Russia again. Russian ships opened fire on and seized three Ukrainian vessels near Crimea. The Ukrainian ships were traveling on the high seas from one Ukrainian port to another Ukrainian port. Clearly, this is an example of Russian aggression.

As world leaders denounced Russia's aggression against Ukraine, Trump waited more than a day before offering a muted response about the clash, leaving the task of criticizing Moscow to the outgoing US ambassador to the UN.

When asked how he felt about the Russian seizure, Trump said, "not good. Not happy about it at all." He was reluctant to blame Russia, adding, "we do not like what's happening either way. And hopefully it will get straightened out."

Which, of course, says nothing. The comment is pure Trumpian, talk but don't say anything. Putin is pleased with his choice for the American Presidency.

Trump told the Washington Post, “I don’t like that aggression. I don’t want that aggression at all.”

Regarding a meeting with Putin at the G-20 summit beginning Nov. 30th, Trump said, “Maybe I won’t have the meeting. Maybe I won’t even have the meeting.”

Which, of course, says nothing. The comment is pure Trumpian, talk but don't say anything. Putin is pleased with his choice for the American Presidency.

Once again, Trump is proving himself to be an embarrassment. Other leaders are laughing at him, most joyfully, Trump's benefactor, Putin.

 

NOT compelling. Care to try again?

 

In answer to the question: "Wait! Back up. How does what the wealthiest families own affect how you choose to gain employment?"

You don't have to seek employment with a firm. You could simply make a living by providing a needed good or service to the public at large. The wealthiest families can't stop you from doing that.

 

You are the one mistaken. Data has shown that to be true in the past.

 

He's failing.
Farmers's sales have plummeted.
GM is closing plants.

Tariffs have never worked. And this time is no different.

 

Huh?

 

If you want to gloat over the GM plant closings, I'll grant you that. Go ahead and celebrate your fellow Americans losing their jobs. You get to slam Trump. That's what matters after all. Hurray for you.

 

I think if the media didn't give air time to politicians it would decrease the amount of hate that the public would be exposed to. Start at the top with the President right on down to the lower ranking politicians. All the politicians do is spout the same crap day after day. Take away their soapbox to stand on and the American people will be better off.

 

I, sort of, agree with you.

I think we should know exactly what our leaders say, and exactly what the context is.

I think that the so-called "analysts" do more damage. The analysts should be honest, non-partisans. Instead, we get analysts who push a partisan agenda.