Obama:If you’ve got a business ,you didn’t build that.

Did Obama actually say anything of substance in that whole speech? I read the text of the whole thing and all I got was fluff, not one thing of substance. Am I missing something here? How could anyone ask for four more years of fluff speeches and no results?

 

No one is taking the property of others.
The case, if you would care to follow along with the thread, was trying to be made that Warron had something totally wrong and outrageously unAmerican, she said the samething you just did, you can't get rich on your own.
Warren then went on to say the logical and sensible thing that since you used larges of the public good you should pay it forward to ensure others can do the same.
To normal Americans that is perfectly sane and rational, to conservatives it's treason and she should be tarred and feathered, for being as you say, a thief.

 

You lose and you lose HUGE!
Sorry bud, better luck next time.
Like I say, extremism never works.

 

Guess what guy, my property taxes paid to educate the next generation of employees. The sales tax I paid, helped fund the maintenance and up keep of the roads I use to conduct my business. My state income tax pays the salary of the firefighters and cops that keep the community I do business in safe. The federal income taxes I pay go towards our national defense and who the hell knows what else. So contrary to imaginary collectivist land, business owners do pay their way.

 

I don't think the issue is whether they pay or not, its how much. And for smaller businesses, this isn't even an issue. Its the multi-national corporations who use every legal and tax angle to pay as little as possible. When GE gets a friggen refund at the end of the year, then something is wrong.

 

If you're gettin' a welfare check, you didn't build it AT ALL.

 

Then advance an argument to change the tax code, don't spew some moronic collectivist slogan, that runs counter to reality, while insulting everyone's intelligence.

 

If we were having a discussion about tax codes, then I would have. This is a discussion about businesses and their contributions to society. Try and keep up.

Also, what collectivist slogan are you referring to? If its the GE point, its reality. A 3.2Billion reality (in 2010 tax year).

 

Yep and if you had a company those taxes would have as well.

Yep and since your business profited directly from those roads it, your business, should help pay for them, don't you agree?

If they also keep your business safe, shouldn't it help pay as well?

Again, your business benefits from all the things the federal Govt does, shouldn't it help pay form them as well?
Why should any company, I'll use FEDEX again, not help YOU pay for the roads, the schools, the military and all the other things our evil tyrannical Govt. provides?
They benefit 1000's of times more than you do, so why shouldn't they help pay for them?

Can you please point out where anyone has said a business owner doesn't pay their way?
We have been talking business taxes, not personal taxes.......there is a difference you know.
Collectivism has nothing to do with this at all, please try and stay on this planet.

 

Counter to reality?
Collectivist slogan?
What thread have you been reading?

 

Barack Obama is a straight up Marxist.

This is outrageous and against EVERYTHING that America was built on in principle.

He understand NOTHING about the hard work, RISK, and intelligence it takes to be a successful business owner. NEWSFLASH: All those roads, bridges, and infrastructure he refers to was built..... WITH OUT TAX DOLLARS which is predominantly paid for by THE SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS OWNERS.

Barack Obama is unfit to lead. He lacks the knowledge to understand what makes a country and business successful.

 

That is untrue.

Warren did nothing wrong by noting that each of us is one individual in a highly inter-connected social structure. Her error was advocating the initiation of aggression against her fellow man.

 

Lies. Just lies made up out of thin air. MANY people have lost businesses because of regulations...when someone can drastically change things with the stroke of a pen, planning becomes impossible.

 

The poor moron.... he probably thinks community organizers and federal spending are what build businesses. The guy is completely CLUELESS.

 

I can't even imagine what kind of idiot buys this marxist rhetoric... oh yeah, the same ones who vote for Barack.

If there's one thing Obama knows about, it's getting a hand up to get where you are.

 

Barack Obama is a straight up Marxist.

This is outrageous and against EVERYTHING that America was built on in principle.

He understand NOTHING about the hard work, RISK, and intelligence it takes to be a successful business owner. NEWSFLASH: All those roads, bridges, and infrastructure he refers to was built..... WITH OUT TAX DOLLARS which is predominantly paid for by THE SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS OWNERS.

Barack Obama is unfit to lead. He lacks the knowledge to understand what makes a country and business successful.

 

I bet that self-employment taxes have killed more business start-ups than anything. How many people did the math and realized they shouldn't even bother to try? No standard deductions, no personal exemptions... they tax the very first profit dollar.

 

Umm k, so you missed my point entirely.

I'm not refuting GE's tax returns(weird that GE is brought up anyway, since the it's boss is Obama's bed buddy.)
This moronic rhetoric forwarded by Warren/Obama totally implies that business owners don't contribute, while trying to gain wealth, which is a complete lie.

 

I don't think I did. I put forth that a lot of the issues behind the notion that businesses don't contribute have some origin in the tax exploitation by companies such as GE. It goes to the heart of the idea that business doesn't or does contribute.

I personally, think that they do contribute, but not like they should. A lot of it comes down to the battle between moral obligation and bottom line. One is emotional, and one is logical. There isn't a lot of room for emotion in business, but I believe it is important. Look at Apple, a company that is ideally American. Created, built and found success in America, and then what happened? It stopped being about breaking the chains that Microsoft had put the computing industry, and became more about the bottom line, which meant shipping production jobs overseas and basically gutting the American side of it. Its stuff like that that creates division between business folk and non-business folk

 

The obvious purpose is PUNITIVE...

 

so my friends father, who started off his restaurant business simply by selling tacos in his garage, and now has 3 very respected and booming restaurants didnt do it on his own???? and then his son, who came up with the idea to have their own tortillaria as well as making their own chips, which has become extremely popular as well wasnt his idea or his creation, someone else built it for him???

yeah sorry but that family did everything on their own, with their own (*)(*)(*)(*)ed money they saved up and Obama or some other jackass didnt help them. tell Obama to go suck a fat one, talking all this bull(*)(*)(*)(*) like everyone owes him and his sorry ass following anything.

 

What amount would that be?

Others have noted it too...sorry. You spout collectivist nonsense. You would like to believe (to have others believe) that businessmen owe their success, if any, to government for all the "help" they've given away.
In my state anyway government is there with their hands out looking to siphon off profit for doing next to nothing except regulating every aspect of a business day.

 

Elizabeth Warren is well off. Has she given back to those people that helped her get her education? Her family money. HER salary and savings? Has she opened her house to those less fortunate? Does she serve dinner to the homeless at her own table? She didn't become successful on her own. Seems if she wants to 'serve the people', she oughta be ponying up about everything she has.

 

The collective needs that hard working man's money, he did nothing, except not provide for the collective. His business is our business, don't you get that yet? None of us are worthy to keep our wealth, the grubby hands must have, they must deliver to those they promised free stuff to.... Welcome to the new the new America that Obama told us about....

 

giving HOPE to the liberal freeloaders by taking all the CHANGE out of working men and womens pockets. got it lol.