Obama Insults American Kids

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  1. Never Left

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    Obama is a failure and is number zero.
     
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    It has nothing to do with near universal slashing of education funds, lowering benefits and pay for teachers and pushing non-sense curriculums in public schools?
     
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    Quite an objective analysis you have there. Allow me some time to do some research and organize a response for you.
     
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    You've made many good points.

    The kids who's parents can afford the good private schools tend to be the kind of parents that you need to be for kids to take school seriously.

    Children of poverty in the US are unique...

    ..when I lived in Turkey, I used to visit schools for a school teacher friend of mine, and speak English to the elementary students as a guest in thier english classes. That's right, they teach English starting in the second grade. The children in those schools are famously well behaved. There is a solid united front between the parents and teachers. If a child did commit a rare act of misbehavior...their backsides would be red by nightfall, and the teacher would know what happened, and all the kids would shake thier heads. The peer pressure is strong to succeed and behave.

    That's pretty much the model outside of the US......why are our kids so rotten comparativelly? And please don't say Obama...jk...I know you wouldn't
     
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    So what is the answer? The foundations for a decent education aren't difficult to achieve; supportive and encouraging parents, a good teacher and a decent environment in which to learn-that encompasses both home and school.
    I have a, what in America is known as a, public school near my home which my daughter attended. It had a poor reputation yet she flourished.
    Ten years on the school itself-which serves a predominantly working-class population-is achieving all government targets and is well on its way to becoming a centre of excellence.
    The teachers are trade union members.

    I can't generalise because I can only really speak from my own experience, but it seems to me that you enter the teaching profession, not because you primarily view it as a career, but because you have a vocation-a need to teach.
    Merely because a school is public and state funded need not mean it'll perform poorly or inadequately but, of course, there are those which do fail their students.

    Reforming poor schools can be done-and politics need have nothing whatsoever to do with influencing that change. Teachers turn schools around not because a politician has told them they must-although that happens-but because they want to. Sometimes we all need a kick in the pants to shake us out of our complacency and acceptance of lower standards, when achieving quality is just as easy if you have the right tools. I mentioned them earlier, as the foundations.
     
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    Actually I wasn't.......... I was too relieved after the debacle that was Jimmy Carter to complain.

    Of course there were a few other factors like being overseas in the military, the internet, let alone the personal computer wasn't invented quite yet, and of course compared to Carter, everything was better.

    Thats a fact.
     
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    LOL No, I wont hang this on Obama...... but my opinions are definitely not politically correct.

    What I have noticed with children who attend private school isn't merely a fact that their parents can afford to send them. It is so much more. The parents of these kids have a work ethic that has lead to their own success. They absolutely know the importance of education and their children are taught this ethic. But even then, it is an oversimplification as I also know of families (Asian) who are not wealthy, who are not necessarily materially wealthy, who live in overcrowded residences with 3 generations under one roof, all sacrificing to send the youngest members of the family to these private schools.

    So IMO it isn't that old class warfare canard that the wealthy are given more opportunity. I don't buy it as I have seen so many defy it given access. No, IMO it is the deterioration of our culture more than anything. How many immigrants have we seen come to our country and cache our "broken" system into successful careers? I have seen many.
     
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    ah, when did he stop?
     
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    Then tell it to the teachers here in this country, the dick wagons responsible for the "falling behind", not kids in Australia.


    Always blaming the wrong people he now centers out America's school children fore the fault of tenured teachers who sleep instead of teach.....
     
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    What evidence do you have that tenured teachers sleep instead of teach? Or is this just another unsubstaniated comment from you?
     
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    You just pointed out something to me that I never really pondered.

    I wasn't trying to insinuate that the wealthy are the only parents who have children who apply themslelves in school. But not all Asians sub cultures have high performing students. Ethnic Japanese, Korean, and Chinese families around here generally have solid family structures and well performing kids. It's a priority for them. But we also have Cambodians and Mhongs around here that are generally ghetto, and their kids have a high rate of being gang bangers and not completing high school. It seems the children of immigrants who came here after escaping extreme violence in war zones aren't as solid as the Asians who have been here for generations......

    I resist the notion that race has anything to do with this, but family structure certainly does.

    NO OFFENSE TO ANY CAMBODIANS OR MHONGS WHO DON"T FIT INTO MY CARELESS GENERALIZATION
     
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    Or when Bush doubled it!
     
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    Sorry, Buzz. T-Baggers are usually liberals. Tea Party supporters would like for Obama to show a bit of respect for the country. I realize he agrees with his wife that his nomination by the Democrats was the first time he'd ever been proud of the U.S. and it was apparently the last time. So, for him to show respect for the country would be tantamount to him lying. Him being disrespectful is disgusting. I suppose if he were really honest he'd say, "Folks, I'm in over my head. I resign."
     
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    Outside the top 10? try outside the top 20!
     
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    Please have a look at the film "Waiting for Superman". In it, a video taken by a public school student shows, among other things, a teacher asleep at his desk. The film goes on to reveal that this is not an uncommon experience and documents the attempts to dismiss these misfits...unsuccessfully.

    further, the well documented efforts of attempted reform of the DC area school board show that teachers sleeping in class is a common occurrence....while children played craps in the back of the school room.

    When you have learned to spell unsubstantiated please bring forward any other unsubstantiated claims I have made.
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    It's Bush's Fault! It's Bush's Fault! It's Bush's Fault!


    When are you people going to find some grit and accept the fact Owebama has had control of the place for THREE YEARS and had absolute control for two of them?

    When are you people going to man up and accept that he has failed?

    Good Lord, now you're going back over three decades to blame a dead man.

    Pathetic
     
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    One of the classic traits of a sociopath is to never accept responsibility for anything. Owebama's trait to pass blame on to everyone else is so evident it's a wonder he's gotten this far....

    He has blamed the economy on Bush, business owners, rich people, and "lazy" workers. Now he's condemning school children who have "fallen behind".

    What is scary is so many of his sheeple do the same thing;
    It's Bush's Fault! which leads me to conclude that either the US is a nation of sociopaths or Owebama's followers are so morally bankrupt they don't even realize they display mental illness.

    "It's Bush's Fault! It's Bush's Fault! It's Bush's Fault!"
     
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    How many teachers were caught sleeping?? 2? 3? 100? out of how many hundreds of thousands in this country? You are basically labeling all teachers as sleeping on the job indirectly by your wording in your post. How do you know the teachers who allegedly are sleeping are tenured? Your posts should be based on knowledge as opposed to ignorance.
     
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    He is absolutely right. It is a well known fact that American kids (including myself) are lazy at school compared to kids around the world.
     
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    Why not have a look at the film, do some other research on the issue of tenure then let's have the conversation. I know the sleeping and newspaper reading and incompetent teachers are tenured because the whole film is about how they can't be fired.

    I have not, nor did I ever intend to label all teachers for anything, but merely address the issue of tenure which is destroying the US educational system.

    And my posts are based on intelligence, thank you. It is you that is ignorant since you're the one asking me the questions.

    Again, try doing some homework.
     
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    When you start paying my salary, then you can ask me politely to try doing some homework; in the meantime try hard not to stereotype people based on some video posted on the internet. And lose the attitude while your at it.
     
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    Beautiful! Very well said .... "sociopath"? I had often wondered myself b/c he has the traits, but would be polite and call him narcissistic........
     
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    So you think US education is great!!!! Good for you. Our teachers need a raise.
     
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    You said it! It is pathetic to continue to blame ONE manfor all the disasters that piled up over the last ten years or more! :bonk::wink:

    so why don't you get a grip and move on to reality and searching for solutions instead?
     

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