Obama is not to blame for events in Syria and Iraq

Stop......selling them weapons was the only support the Russians assisted with. While maintaining their Floating Dock at Tartus. Giving weapons was all they could do with the Iranians. They had no policy going after the Egyptians stopped dealing with them, and along with the rest of the ME.

And of course I understand that the leftness thinks BO peep is special and that he is not to blame for anything. Despite others like Clinton who were credited with blame for the mistakes with US Policy. Despite Repub presidents given the blame with US policy. Let me clue you in on some reality. BO the Peep.....Barack Obama is not special. He is not the exception to the rule.

Oh and with foreign policy.....he had no business playing where the big boys play. Never understood or comprehended any of it....taking a crash course and learning from the Repub Lugar. Only got his foot in the door.

Funny how that works.....despite the Peep using some of Bilbo's policy issues that were failures.

Now lets say that together.....Barack Obama is not special. One more time.....BO the peep is not special and never was.

 

I feel we shouldn't have done anything in the first place. If not for Obama arming the ISIS, this whole Syria thing would have been squashed a long time ago. Syria isn't about a dictator in charge, its about Russia having a oil pipeline going to Europe instead of the Saudis or Iran. The pipeline through Syria is for Russia, and is being approved by Assad. Taking Assad out would give Obama's allies the ability to place a puppet in Syria to deny the pipeline and it would go through one of their allies states.

Nah, just genocide.

 

He doesn't seem to take responsibility for anything.

 

Couldn't agree more with this short statement!

This term of "war against terror" became a silly empty phrase when right with this the Iraq issue was put under it too.

 

Bush is responsible for Al Malaki creating a power vacuum in Northern Iraq for ISIS to exploitate. Obama is responsible for the series of violent murderous coups all over the Middle East, and fighting both sides in Syria.

 

Bush installed Maliki who is still head of the Dawa Party.

 

The word has been hijacked to legitimise the Free Syrian Army at the veryh beginning; but it wasn't long before the FSA was infiltrated by various jihadi groups until it consisted only of various jihadi groups, and that's what Assad was up against - trying to save Syria from becoming the first Caliphate. If Cameron and Obama hadn't backed the wrong horse none of this would have happened, nor would the European refugee crisis.

 

You know that Maliki lived in Syria and then Iran and is still the head of the Islamic Dawa party.

 

Iranian Islamic Revolution and US Embassy Bombing[edit]

Dawa supported the Islamic Revolution in Iran and in turn received support from the Iranian government. During the Iran–Iraq War, Iran backed a Dawa insurgency against Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist government in Iraq.

In 1979, Dawa moved its headquarters to Tehran, the capital of Iran.[6] It bombed the Iraqi Embassy in Beirut in December 1981, the first of its international attacks.[7] Dawa party was thought to have been behind the bombing of the US embassy in Kuwait as well as other installations as punishment of Kuwait, America and France's military and financial assistance to Iraq in its war against Iran (see 1983 Kuwait bombings).

One of those convicted for the bombing was Jamal Jafaar Mohammed, a member of Iraq's parliament and military commander of the Popular Mobilization Forces.[8]

(the Baathists condemned DAWA to death)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Dawa_Party

 

Well…
USSR and Russia had never such a deep need to have big influence in ME as the US all the decades. As told: They had Syria as very close friend for over 60 years and there they have their Mediterranean Sea Base too.
But if you are the only supplier of military of a country as in Iraq, then you have a big influence there… simply because you can cut off the necessary support all the time!

However … as far as I understood all your posts in content, your opinion is that Obama had to stay in Iraq further and this would have prevented the raise of ISIS etc.
Sorry, this is wrong …
ISIS rose still under Bush and was for example in their predecessor form the power in the fights of Falluja!
But more important … without this criminal attack of Bush in 2003, there would have been no ISIS at all or do you really think that such a scum would have raised power under Saddam?

And that Obama went out of Iraq was not his idea…
It was the clear will and the clear demand from the clear majority of the US population to Obama to out the troops out of Iraq and bring the boys home at once! The US government had thus obtained a clear mandate from the population to whom it has to contribute!
Why?
After the first trauma of 9/11 and the hate against the terrorists, the US population in the last few years of Bush administration waked up and was more and more, recognizing what Chaos and BS President Bush has done here in 2003 ... Chaos what cost a lot of US soldiers life or even health after the military victory over Saddam and where the reasoning of WMD’s was a pure lie to back the attack in 2003!

 

And? The Iraqi people voted him in and the other Shia into Office. So what were you saying?

 

Yep.....as then the Baathists wouldn't have been able to recruit AQ members

Petraeus had the Sunni Awakening which drove AQ out of Iraq. Daesh mainly started from the Baathist Sunni who rose up after Bush Jr was done with his time in Office.. They were ran out of Power, and not allowed to hold Offices Militarily and Civilian. They are known as the FRL's. Former Regime Loyalists.

The Iraqi Leaders didn't want us there. They refused the SOFA, and when Maliki was willing to make a deal. The Peep and his administration dropped the ball, then punted.

 

Maliki was all there was and he was no prize.. Bush wanted to declare victory and hand off... but Maliki was a radical Shia.

 

Say what.....in 2005 Jaafari won the Election and was removed from power in 2006. Shahristani and Adeeb ran against him. Bush had nothing to do with it. Soleimni of the Quds force brokered the deal with the Kurds and Shia that led to Maliki being chosen.

So save the Bush whine.

 

On December 14, 2008, President George W. Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki signed the status of forces agreement (SOFA)......

 

Yeah and.....Bush had nothing to do with Maliki being chosen by the Kurds and the Shia. That deal was brokered by the Iranian.

 

And that is the great error in your argumentation at least ... Al Qaeda is unimportant and the US never saw the ongoing issues of reality at this time!

ISIS exists and is full active since 2003 and did you ever heard anything in all the official and unofficial reports of the Iraq mess aside Al Qaeda here, Al Qaeda there and Al Qaeda bombed something in this and then it that city? NO!!!!
All the time only Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda ... and not to mention too: Al Qaeda!

Even the fighting's in Fallujah were in media what? Al Qaeda! B U L L S H I T !!! It was ISIS!
You remember Abū Musʿab az-Zarqāwī? What was told he is again? Leader of Al Qaeda! B U L L S H I T !!! He was leader of ISIS!

All this blabbering of US officials that they have won at least and Al Qaeda is forced back ... B U L L S H I T !!! Al Qaeda wasn't the real problem and they ignored ISIS nearly totally ... and even did not get into head that ISIS cancelled ally with Al Qaeda since long and when ISIS declared war to Al Qaeda, they made only a shrunk and focused further on Al Qaeda!

Sure ... with further full force in Iraq the ISIS offensive is very unlikely to have happened too, but the guerrilla war would go on and on and on... but the people had enough of it to loose their sons and daughters in a country as result for a self started war which had better never be begun in 2003! This is the reality ....

 

Say what.....try again.

There was no Daesh in 2003. Read up on the Sunni Awakening.....its what the Baathists feared most, and guarded against the most.



After the 1963 coup that first gave the Baathists a share of power in Iraq’s government, Saddam became head of the secret Jehaz Al-Khass, or Special Branch, and collected meticulous dossiers on friends and enemies alike. Saddam used these dossiers to carry out a political putsch in the mid-sixties, as well as the bloodless 1968 coup that brought his party to full control of Iraq. From 1968 until 2003, Baathists controlled every aspect of Iraqi life and generalized the surveillance techniques that Saddam had used so effectively in his rise to power.


The Baath government amassed millions of personal records and forced its citizens to spy on family and friends for Saddam’s intelligence agencies. Those agencies, staffed almost exclusively by Sunnis, were masters at collecting and using the most intimate details of the lives of individual Iraqis. Stasi-level minutiae about family structure, births, deaths, relations and the aspirations of everyone who lived under the regime were documented and filed. The regime then used all its information to compel compliance, the alternative to which was death. After the invasion, the Baathists held the key to the human terrain of Iraq. All of these Saddamist traditions have been carried on by his disciples in ISIS.

One of these is Samir Abd Muhammad al-Khlifawi, usually known as Haji Bakr, a former spy for Saddam who became chief of military operations for ISIS.

From as early as 2004, al Qaeda in Iraq gradually sought to transfer control of the Iraqi jihad from foreign fighters like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Abu Ayyub al-Masri to local Iraqi commanders like Abu Umar al-Baghdadi. AQI became the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) in 2006, just as many local captives were being released from U.S. military prisons such as Camp Bucca. One of them was Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the future caliph of ISIS. As an Iraqi, he had been held not with the high-value al Qaeda terrorists, but with low-level FRL and Iraqi religious extremist insurgents. At Bucca, al-Baghdadi formed bonds and apparently conceived the model that would eventually become ISIS, a consolidated force of Iraqi Sunni FRLs, joined with al Qaeda’s foreign fighters, that would take back their traditional tribal lands and then form a caliphate. That’s where he connected with Haji Bakr.

Der Spiegel magazine recently obtained Haji Bakr’s handwritten notes and organizational diagrams for creating an ISIS spy agency based on Saddam’s own intelligence agencies. The notes, the magazine reported, confirmed what American intelligence agencies had assumed for well over a decade — that the ex-Baathists ran almost everything in Iraq after the U.S. invasion. Since 2003 these ex-Baathists have been ruthlessly pulling the strings of the jihadists in Iraq. First they facilitated al Qaeda’s entry into the insurgency, then they built them hundreds of car bombs and provided intelligence on American operations.

Recall that from the moment the U.S. Army entered Baghdad, the coming Sunni terror insurgency was manned by almost 100,000 FRL officers from the most loyal organizations. This number included 30,000 commandos from Saddam’s Fedayeen; 26,000 Special Republican Guards; 31,000 spies, analysts and enforcers from five major intelligence agencies; as well as 6,000 seasoned combat officers — all freshly fired by Ambassador Bremer through his General Order #2. These people didn’t vanish into thin air after the invasion; they went underground, as had been planned long before the war, and formed the largest insurgent group in Iraq, the Army of the Mujahideen. They also took over others, such as Ansar al Sunna, giving them an Islamic patina to inspire resistance.

The FRLs understood effective military command and control and organized the National Council of Iraqi Resistance, also known as the Unified Mujahideen Command, with forward operations centers in each city under direct command of Saddam Hussein and his sons Uday and Qusay. From Damascus, Syria, the NCIR/UMC operated a command center led by Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, Saddam’s chief henchman. He and a council of ex-generals commanded the secret terror war in Iraq against the United States coalition. Granted, some Sunni tribes and insurgents grew sick of al Qaeda and cooperated with the Iraqi government in 2007, during the “Sahwah,” or “Anbar Awakening,” but most, like Haji Bakr, kept fighting from their homes or across the border in Syria, and many were eventually incorporated into the framework of ISIS.

Simply put, ISIS today is essentially a Baathist-organized amalgam of virtually every Sunni tribal and jihadist insurgent group the United States has fought since April 2003. It is fueled by the ideology of al Qaeda and is under the nominal leadership of foreign terrorists. No matter that foreign fighters are the amirs with high-level roles, and that it took 12 years to usurp and merge all of those groups and to liberate the Sunni governorates. Ex-Baathists like Haji Bakr and al-Douri have helped ISIS’s Iraqi “caliph,” Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, manage it brilliantly.



The FRLs and Sunni tribal leadership have clearly demonstrated that the personal aspirations of 7 million Iraqi Sunnis can be a serious political cudgel. If the central government doesn’t play ball, ISIS can march on Baghdad until a deal is made for regional autonomy, money or independence. If the Shiite government defeats ISIS (or if the Sunni community turns against it), the FRLs can just step away and continue to wield power in their communities. Either way, they win.

On the other hand, ISIS did make the FRLs swear oaths of loyalty to the caliphate, and they will certainly take a dim, beheading-filled view of any covert plans to undermine their reign. The FRLs will proceed cautiously. Both ideologies can coexist as long as there is a Shiite-Iranian-American axis to rally against. Baathists are still Muslims, and they have shown that they can feign piety as long as it’s convenient.......snip~

https://theintercept.com/2015/06/03/isis-forces-exbaathist-saddam-loyalists/

 

ISIS exists since 2003 and yes, of course feared by Saddam ... but they exist since 2003 and the core of them were members of the republican Guard + foreign fighters!
Get it ... you are still on a wrong track to believe the BS you was told! They were until 2007 a wing of AQI, then an independent ally of AQI with name ISI and since mid of 2013 ISIS and Al Qaeda are in war against each other!

 

You can find out what's going to happen with the Bible!! The way in which nations are currently moving, is written! My suggestion to everyone, would be to at the least, see this truth for themselves and without anybody's influence draw their own conclusion. It takes just a little research, as to what land masses are named what in the Bible. Once one finds these names of nations/kingdoms from then to now, it's very simple from there. And everything falls directly into place!

To not know of the end times or the coming of our lord and savior Jesus Christ, is to abandoned Him yourself for eternity. And a decision held responsible of the individuals themselves. If ones material possessions is that of much more importance than love and truth, then by all means their choice is clear.

The truth is being revealed along with of course, all the lies. Those who side with the lies, simply don't know or can't even see the truth, because the lies are of more value to them. And this is how they will be separated from the kingdom. Not necessarily Jesus separating them, but their own conscience does it for Him.

 

Dude I am Right on Target.....Bullseyed. I just showed you what took place and they were no wing of AQ. They Orchestrated it all. Oh and clearly they had no fear of Daesh. As they helped make Daesh what they are.

First they facilitated al Qaeda’s entry into the insurgency.....snip~


It was the first thing they did. Then Petraeus and the Sunni ran AQ out of Iraq and or underground. ISIS comes in later with Bagdadi.

Which changes nothing I said about the majority population of Shia gaining power in Iraq.....and why Maliki and the Shia were going after Sunni. That which BO peep and the West were crying about, and why they denied them the drone strikes and helicopters.

You got thrown off track.....by believing that BO peep was special. Like all the others.....he fell for the Okie doke with the Saud and Sunni.

 

What on earth are you talking about?

 

It doesn't matter what you and I think we should or shouldn't do, when it comes to nations/kingdoms and all their conflicts. These things must come to pass. For it is written! Pertaining to the end times it is written on what the nations will do in the end. We are seeing this now! There is nothing that can be done to stop what must take place. In the end times, all powerful nations will have backed themselves into a corner, for their lies will and has started to be revealed. It will be because of this that they will have only one solution to maintain their power. And that is to go to war, and to kill all who do not believe their lies. Which all lies derive from one place, the father of lies.

John 8:44King James Version (KJV)
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

Not sure if you have it exactly right, however I will agree that the truth is absolutely being hidden. I think your statement is happening again right now, for instance have you heard from the media about the, "white helmets"?

 

Sums it up well. 0bama may fail in slightly different ways than Bush did, but he's failing all the same. Too much opposition to existing governments and interests with too little to take their place, coupled with actual arming and other support of anti-government militants, all leading to violent chaos and indirect support for IS.

What bothers me is that we have no power to change it. We have to let the administration do what it wants to do. At least we have Trump coming in, though, and he's been talking sense WRT Syria.