Obama sending 3,000 troops into the heart of the Ebola zone in Africa.

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  1. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

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    Possibly the dumbest post on the subject yet. Congratulations.

    Here's a little heads up; you will not contract Ebola simply by being in the same area as an epidemic unless you are in physical contact with the bodily fluids of an infected person. That is emphatically not what those troops will be doing so, please, go easy on the histrionics.
     
  2. Tahuyaman

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    So, disaster relief is the purpose for the US military? Just what will US ground troops be able to accomplish in the mission of halting the spread of Ebola?

    Liberals do not want the military used for their intended use, but want them utilized for unintended purposes.

    But then I suppose you believe this action will show the world that we care?
     
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    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    How is this "the right thing"? Let me think this over again. Combat soldiers deployed overseas to fight a disease........ What?
     
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    Who cares about what the world thinks in this instance? There is a pandemic in the making and we have the capability to help. It would be immoral for us to stand by and do nothing.

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    You understand that the US military is one of the best equipped medical forces on the planet, right?
     
  5. Tahuyaman

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    How will combat soldiers help stop the spread of a disease? Do the left wing hacks support deploying combat forces for this reason just to feel good? WTF is wrong with you people?

    The military is not a toy to be played with at the whims of an incompetent president. They have a distinct constitutional purpose and this isn't it.

    When will you left wing stooges get this through your thick skulls?
     
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    I traveled extensively in SE Asia and Sri Lanka before and after the tsunami a few years ago. The US military, specifically the navy, will be long and fondly remembered there for many years for what they did. The act of disaster relief and humaniotarian aid did more for US prestige, influence and soft power through goodwill than anything I can think of. Sometimes, hard as it is to believe for some good Christian true patriots to believe, saving foreigners instead of killing them is not only the right and moral thing to do but the self-interested thing to do. But feel free to quake in paranoid fear in your bunker if it makes you feel better.
     
  7. Pollycy

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    These American military personnel must follow orders or they will be prosecuted in a general courts-martial. They have no choice... where ever Obama, their idiot commander-in-chief, sends them on any foolhardy mission of his choice, they must go. Poor bastards!

    "Wow, just wow."? :confusion: . What the hell is the matter with you...? Do you have anything to say about the thread topic? If not, get lost!

    How good of you to pontificate about things that are by no means a "settled order of nature", snake. Unless you have earned at least a Bachelor's Degree in Epidemiology, I'd suggest you become more familiar with the breadth of the subject material before you issue your personal diktat about what is, and what is not, true about Ebola... ergo: http://healthmap.org/site/diseasedaily/article/pigs-monkeys-ebola-goes-airborne-112112

    The truth is that we don't yet know all the ways that Ebola may be spread (not even you, snake). Therefore, I think it exceptionally ill-advised for Obama to inject 3,000 of our military personnel right smack in the middle of the Ebola zone at this time.

    I try not to speak to you as though you are just another garden-variety hyperlib, snake. Whether I should or not, I like you, and I cannot help but respect your education as provided by Great Britain. Nevertheless, going forward, when you make such sweeping statements, and condemnations, it were better that you provided at least some credible proof explaining your viewpoint. You were taught to do so in your school system, which is better than this debacle we think of as "public education" in the U. S., so, in view of the fact that I know you can do better than this, please try a little harder. In other words, fight me with a better weapon than your subjectivity.... (Parenthetically, you have no idea how droll it is to chew this cud with other Americans, most of whom cannot even compose a coherent sentence consisting of more than five words.)
     
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    Yes, for what they are intended to treat. This isn't one of those intended purposes.

    This is why it's so dangerous to put liberals in charge of the country. They utilize resources for things they are not trained or prepared to do, but will not utilize them for their intended purpose.

    The mind set of the liberal is based on feelings, not practicality and reason. It may make a liberal feel good that we are showing the world that we care, but the reality is that deploying the military for this will accomplish nothing.

    It will accomplish one thing actually. Spending billions of defense dollars on a feel good project which accomplished nothing tangible.

    If these same soldiers were being deployed to help keep Muslims from killing these people, the liberals would be up in arms screaming about it.
     
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    republicans are not praying the troop are harmed are they? I trust our troops know what they are doing....
     
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    Yes, infantrymen are well known for their ability to stop the spread of a disease with no known cure.

    I mean they've done so well in helping stop the spread of several diseases in various Asian counties. Europe too.
     
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    You understand that the military has more than combat troops, yes?

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    Have you ever heard of USAMRID?
     
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    Still no one can explain why it is appropriate to use military forces for this kind of operation.
     
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    The only reason why you object to any help whatsoever has nothing to do with the safety or security of the United States, but your use of racial politics because you believe that the people in Africa are beneath you, not worthy of your cause or concern, and inferior of your effort. That goes against everything that America stands for and has worked to what we want to be viewed by the world.

    Ebola is spread by person to person contact. It is not air born. Because it is a person to person contact, the risk is managed by wearing bio hazard suits and through constant screening. Thos in the USAMAIIC and similar U.S. military commands have been trained for this. Let them do their job instead of going on a wild, political goose chase.

    there is danger in everything that we do. YOu can die from a car accident, a snake bite, or countless other reasons, but I will guarantee you do not think about it because you know how to manage those risks, or at the very least, accept those risks.
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    This issue is one of humanitarian reasons. Since we have the expertise in this, through our biological warfare lavatories experiments in the 1960's and early 1970's, let the expert handle this and do their job.


    I could ask you the same question. So far, you have given no reasonable answer why we should not go. Instead, you used the aged old tactic of fear mongering mixed in with racial politics on why you think that area should not be helped because of race.

    With ISIS, it is a different war game altogether. The U.S. military, despite all of our technological advantages, will not be able to defeat ISIS by itself. It is quite obvious you have not learned the lessons of Vietnam. Neither have the Soviets/Russians. this is why we need the help of the Arab nations to help us defeat the group and unfortunately for the GOP, that means bringing in Iran. However, Iran will not do this alone or for free. They will want something in return. Care to guess what that is? If you do not want the help of IRan, then you run the risk of alienating the Shi'ites in the region. If you do that, then Iraq may not be as cooperative as they want to be. That would then alienate the Sunni, Arab government. Do that, and we are all alone with no one helping us in that region and ISIS will simply be used as a tool for Russia or China to marginalize US presence in the region. This would be a detriment to Israel and our policy there.

    We are not sending combat troops, special forces, or musicians. We are sending bio/chemical experts and their support systems to the region to assist with containing the pandemic.

    Could ask you the same question. So far you have not provided a reasonable answer, just fear mongering as usual. Kind of of surprised you did not put Putin in your comment though/
     
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    Oh let me see, U.S. military has done humanitarian work both here in the United States and abroad. Haiti is one example. Katrina is another, The current deployment to West Africa is another. Phillippines is another during the 2013 Typhoon on Leyte gulf. And the list goes on.
     
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    And that is who is being sent primarily.

    BTW, there are more political stunts on criticizing Obama than what Obama decided to do on this specific issue. The far right have to do a better job at picking their battles when to criticize and when not to. So far, the far right will criticize Obama on anything and everything with no thought, idea, or rationale on what they are criticizing. And that is why the far right will continue to be marginalized in the GOP.
     
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    Well that's just (*)(*)(*)(*)ing great. So not only are their going to be 3,000 additional zombies when the (*)(*)(*)(*) does finally hit the fan and the zombie outbreak begins but they will have (*)(*)(*)(*)ing body armor and helmets making them (*)(*)(*)(*)ing impossible to kill.
     
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    What is so hard to understand here? The troops are being sent to reinforce local officials in helping to prevent local civilians, possibly infected, from moving into other areas thus spreading the disease further. Several African countries have already sealed their border crossings to this end.
     
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    Many on both political spectrums believe the Middle East should solve their own problems with many innocents dieing in the process.
    What makes Africa different? Do they not have doctors skilled in the use of a hypodermic?
     
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    Tahuyaman says he would rather wait and battle the disease here rather than get a head start and try to battle it there?


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    They isn't why the US military personal are being sent. Please stop confusing the issue with (yet more) ignorance.
     
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    As usual, alwayssa, you provided neither evidence to back up anything you claimed, nor did you even offer a link to any information that could. You don't even know the difference between "lavatories" and LABORATORIES, evidently....

    OH, but you did manage to distort every concern I have expressed into your predictable, hyperliberal chant of RACISM! .:deadhorse:. I shouldn't even dignify this kind of baseless, vicious attack with a response, but, just once, understand this -- my opposition against sending 3,000 United States military personnel to foreign countries where a deadly disease is rampant would be just as strong no matter WHERE on the planet it was!

    The next time you call me a racist, you'd better have a lot more to back it up than your inane, groundless subjectivity. If you do this again, I'm going straight to the Moderators and have your screeds removed on the basis of personal attack! I've had enough of this crap where we who are Conservative must always be tied to your hyperliberal "whipping post" where we are supposed to be puking with guilt because you hypocrites want to curse us for being racists....

    Lastly, Vietnam...? Exactly what the hell do you know about Vietnam? I am a Vietnam-era honorably-discharged veteran, and I remember it well. Tell me, what would you like to know about Vietnam, or do you know as much about the difference between it and the Middle East as you do about the difference between lavatories and laboratories? :roflol:
     
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    Because the military is one of the best equipped disaster relief forces on the planet.
     
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    Because they are the best qualified that we have available for these types of mission that can be sent quickly.
     
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    As always, why the hell is the USA the only one to step up to solve these problems?

    Get the hell out and stay out of trouble!
     
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    From the USAMRIID web sight, this is what they do and not just in our own country.

    — Support to the Nation and the World —

    If USAMRIID is called to assist with a disease outbreak investigation or a threat to public health, our Diagnostic Systems Division and Emergency Operations Center (EOC) will surge to meet the demand. As part of the nation’s Laboratory Response Network, USAMRIID would collaborate with CDC to rapidly characterize suspected pathogens. Our EOC can consult the right subject matter experts for the most challenging cases. Whether the request comes from a Combatant Command or another Federal agency, USAMRIID stands ready to assist in any biological contingency.
     

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