Obamacare Is Succeeding!

What the ACA did seems like a fair compromise to me. In 2009, Americans wanted a socialized healthcare system, but didn't want it to be 'socialist'. The ACA created an exchange market where private insurance companies competed with each other, selling a product that met basic criteria. It's still a social program, but it's a market that allows for competition.

I think that single-payer would be better, and certainly not cronyism, but I don't think that the red baiters would allows that "commie" stuff to happen.

I expect to see lifespans of Americans to steadily increase and catch up to the rest of the OECD nations. Isn't overall health what matters in the end, despite insurance companies making a bit more money?

 

There is no evidence that Americans wanted a socialized health care system in 2009, and as usual and the crtainly by wide margins don't want what Obama and the Democrats gave them with ACA. And by the way as is tyical with the left the level of competition is decreasing as fewer insurance companies are selling health insurance these days.

 

"Lives being saved" ...?!

While I realize you must take every chance you can to praise this abysmal start-up, you should stick to fact.

Even the President says 6 million, via "Tweet":

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/01/16/warning-ignore-claims-that-3-9-million-people-signed-up-for-medicaid-because-of-obamacare/

But even that number has since been debunked.

 

What's interesting is that many right wingers are now saying that the ACA is a failure and the we would have been better off with single payer in the first place.

There are few liberals who would disagree that we would be better off with single payer, but it's convenient for the right wing not to pretend that they didn't oppose the idea!

 

Which is funny because they were touting a lot of the concepts in the 80s.

 

How is single payer to work with 47% of the country not paying taxes? Do you realize the tax increase you would have to put on the rest? Look at the debt we have now that we can't pay. Why do Liberals think we can have all the goodies we want and not have to worry how it's paid for?

 

If you want single payer, you would need to do lower the poverty mark to get more people paying taxes. But Libs don't want to do that. Also do away with giving people money who have not paid any taxes. That can amount to hundreds or thousands of dollars, depending on how many kids they have. You can't have single payer unless you have the money to pay for it and the only solution Libs have is taxing the rich more and they are already doing that.

 

If she was your daughter you'd say her life was priceless.

 

Agree 100%. ACA was only Step One in the process of saving American lives. Now let's get further reform so that more lives can be saved.

 

See my earlier links to lives being saved under Obamacare.

 

Young people up to age 26 remain covered:


https://www.healthcare.gov/can-i-keep-my-child-on-my-insurance-until-age-26/

 

Unless they have finally delayed that enrollment goal (as I predicted they would) the deadline is March 31, 2014. Not end of year.

Correct me if I am wrong though.

 

March has been the deadline for enrollment all along. Dec was the date to have coverage by January 1. March has been the date that open enrollment ends all along, just with the obvious delay in active coverage. The financials, however, are not looking good. It will just depend on how many high-risk uninsured signed up as opposed to people who already had coverage but are now paying more plus the aggregate subsidies to the insurers.

 

No evidence?

The majority of people wanted more 'socialized' healthcare in 2009. By 'socialized', I mean regulated and available to more people.

Obama offered the people what they asked for.

 

I highlight that last statement because it doesn't disagree with what garyd said. Healthcare.gov IS 'up and running and doing as good as ever'.

Perhaps you don't understand when you're being semantically played. Cummings certainly knows how to play you.

 

Some posters are willing to simply lie and claim that the desire for reform equates to socialized medicine.

By that standard, someone looking to 'reform' their lives should be subject to a firing squad. That's about how honest your post was. Since it is obvious that polls clearly demonstrate the public's opposition to ObamaCrap, you fail hard.

 

Having insurance coverage does not = saving a life. Sure it may potentially save a life if that person contracts a life threatening illness of medical problem but that is a big IF.

You have demonstrated no lives claimed.

You also fail to mention how many of these people lost coverage which they had before Obama's plan forced them to give up said plans in favor of his.

I also cannot see any logic in forcing companies or parents to keep their adult children on their insurance for manyyears when said kids are perfectly capable of finding it on their own.

Finally the biggest flaw in your claim is the number 10,000,000 people covered. It may well be true but this equals failure not success for Obamacare.

In the lead up to forcing this law on America ( it was never passed with any semblence of approval by the people ) the most repeated justification for the ACA was 50 million uninsured Americans. Now you have 40 mllion uninsured because the ACA can only cover in in 5 of those uninsured which it was supposed to help. Failing to accomplish 80 % of anything is failure plain and simple.

 

Which is bull(*)(*)(*)(*) that you have been fed.

ACA started by republicans and was comandeered by the Democrats.

 

Probably a lot less then if they were uninsured and had to go into the hospital with no coverage.

 

In his campaign speeches, Obama made it cleat that he was proposing a socialized, universal system that would cover more people, and would increase standards.

More info (for those who have forgotten 2008 ) :

Yeah... the ACA bill just magically popped out of nowhere!

Today's polls are greatly different from 2008 polls because of 'successful' right-wing fear mongering.

I quoted 'successful' because, although the right has succeeded in scaring many people away from signing up for exchange policies, they have made the GOP seem angry and out of touch -- which is yet another reason why the GOP's approval ratings are at an all-time low.

 

Or, if through regular checkups, they catch something prior to it becoming a major or life threatening illness. Many people who had no insurance did not have physicals (where many issues are detected); they went to the hospital when they got sick and in many cases with major or life threatening illnesses, costing the Taxpayers a small fortune.

 

Thats a good evasion from the question based on a huge hypothetical if.

Most taxpayers had coverage before the ACA and you ignore how much they are paying to support the dead weight now.

You also ignore how much they pay to support those kicked off of their plans because the ACA dictates it.

 

Such thigns cost the taxpayers less of a fortune than the monstrosity Obama pushed on us will cost and that is fact.

All government programs ALWAYS cost more than intended and the cost never goes down always up.

BTW your analogy is silly because it is not JUST people with no coverage who fail to get regular check ups. Despite the advice from the medical profession many people simply do not bother with regular check ups whether they have insurance or not. Of course now with the government getting it's foot in the door taking dictatorial control of the American medical industry they can justify passing laws forcing people to maintian regular check ups.

As I have said all along this whole thing is a back door to tyranny. When the government pays for your health anything and everything becomes about your health and the government can therefore claim the right to tell you how to live every detail of your life.

1984 did not come to us through the NSA spying or the conservatives attacking porn and sex it came to us dressed up as health care.

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If it was so popular why did they have to hide the details from the law makers before it was passed in congress?