Obamacare Is Succeeding!

Can you give me any examples of details that were willfully hidden from the lawmakers?

 

We have ZERO problems servicing our debt. The interest costs 3% of our GDP per annum.

National debt is a SAVINGS vehicle for domestic and foreign investors. It is not a credit card so stop treating it like one.

 

One thing you should learn; everything in this world is an "if".

Prior to ACA, over 45 million people had no medical coverage whatsoever; they got sick and off to the ER for things like heart attacks, strokes, cancers, bloody noses, fevers, ect.

The people who got "kicked off" their so-called medical plans were so because the plans were junk; nothing more then catastrophic plans with huge deductibles, so when the person would go to the ER, they still couldn't pay because they had no money.

So your wrong; its not an evasion, its the truth as painful to you as it is.

 

It was not hidden details it was the entire bill.

Don't tell me you missed Nancy Pelosi stating " we need to pass the law so we can see what it says"?

So once again if it was so popular why did they have to hide it from congress before passing it?

 

I can already tell that trying to have rational discussion with you is like having root canal done without anesthesia. You and I will have to agree to disagree on this thread.

 

It is evasion for several reason. Not the least of which is that it fails to answer how much this boondoggle will cost the tax payers.

We were told 50 million now you say 45 million fine I will take either one but use yours. First of all at least you provide the evidence that the ACA is a failure even with 45 million uninsured the ACA has only managed to cover a small % of them which is a failure leaving tens of millions STILL uninsured.

At least ten million of those millions you quote were illegal aliens who will never be covered anyways. That is fact

Most of the rest of those millions were only temporarily without coverage most commonly due to employment changes which is how most people got their coverage. That is another fact

You are being outright dishonest when you claim those kicked off their plans had junk plans.You may be stating opinion and that is fine but you are not qualified to judge what is junk for ANOTHER person only for you and neither is the government.

The plans most people were kicked off of were superior to the ACA coverage and the people chose those plans for a reason. Unlike the ACA they did not dictate substance abuse coverage to people who never drink smoke or take drugs ( the ACA does mandate ) they did not dictate OBGYN coverage to senior citizens ( the ACA does ) and a host of others such shortcomings which the ACA apparently decides is " junk".

The government is not smart enough wise enough or authorized to decide what I or anyone else purchases is junk and neither are you.

America had better and cheaper health care before the ACA that is simple proven fact which is why our buffoon in the white house had to lie more egregiously than any republican since Nixon to get the damn thing forced on us.

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What you mean is you hate inconveninet facts you cannot answer and refuse to try.

Fair enough

 

By that silly logic we can stop paying on it all together and ignore anyone trying to collect on it.

If it is not " like a credit card " why do we spend the money we borrow which creates the debt in the first place?

If it is so easy to service why did Obama insist we need to borrow money to make payments?

Funny how people like yourself whine a bout the debt when a Goper like Bush increases it but find excuses to ignore it when a democrat increases it

 

...because borrowing is exactly how the Fed creates it's money. It needs to credit the money somewhere... Money is literally created out of thin air through key strokes. It is done through the banks. That is how they insure your money up to $250K. Money isn't physically printed in mass quantities anymore.

If there is no debt, the economy can't grow. Money would just be moved arround. The Fed has to borrow money to grow. It pays back its debt as bonds mature. These bonds are purchased in your retirement fund portfolio!

When you go buy $50 in gas, that $50 doesn't disappear, it is simply transfered from your bank to the gas merchant's bank account. Without an increase in money supply, profit slowly gobbles up existing funds.

 

and why did those 45 million go to the emergency room? because it was free to them..

 

...and because they didn't have health insurance.

 

You said that details were hidden from lawmakers. I'd like to know which details were hidden. Please provide examples to back up your claim.

The ACA was not hidden from Congress. The House and Senate passed it.

#rightwingdishonesty

 

Wasn't it Feinstein that said we have to pass it to see what's in it.

 

How is that relevant? I'd just like to know which parts of the ACA were hidden from lawmakers when they passed it. It's really a very simple question.

Since we're talking about Pelosi's (not Feinstein's) quote, she wasn't talking to lawmakers; she was talking to the public -- the people who don't usually read congressional bills. The lawmakers knew what was in the bill, which is why I'm confused about this talk about "hidden details".

 

Everything you are saying is contradictory.

If it is created out of keystrokes out of thin air then we can do away with all forms of taxation and still fund the government.

We can renege on all debts and never suffer any consequences.

I am well aware that most money is electronic data as oppsoed to real paper. Old news. Somehow everyone such as you wants to change the definition when the argument changes. At times you will say it is real debt and has to be repaid at others times nah it is just imaginary.

It is debt or it is not debt. Debt is not savings.

 

No, this other moron....

[video=youtube;hV-05TLiiLU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU[/video]


Feinstein provided this other gem....

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=322095

 

why pay when it is free..

 

You are quite simply lying.

Her quote was not directed at the buplic but to the media.

She answered a question which was put to her concernbing WHY she and other democrats deliberately hid the bill from congress and demanded a vote on it before it could be scrutinized once again you are denying absolute fact.

Now since they did this ( and it is irrefutable historic record that they did ) you tell me why it was necessary for what you refer to as a popular law.

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I said the bill was hideden from congress who were pushed to vote on it without being able to read it.

This is absolute fact which Pelosi admitted to and you are lying

Once again the whole bill not a detail or two.

Yes they passed the bill but not because they were able to examine it read it and debate it after scrutinizing what it actuall said

 

All 45 million did not go only those who needed to.

 

thank you for proving how stupid democrats are...there is no hope for your kind..

 

Taxation is a tool along with interest rates to constrain inflation within the Fed's annual goal of 2%. This is fact. Taxation is not required for funding the Federal government. If it was, we wouldn't be able to run deficits in 55 of the last 60 years. The Federal government can spend / borrow money regardless of tax receipts.

We run severe annual deficits and have been doing so for almost the entire life of this country. When are these consequences going to happen?

National debt is savings for the private sector. In fact, that is the exact definiton of public debt. What do you think a treasury bond in your portfolio is?

 

Typical of the obamascam law. The healthy 18 to 34 group are the essential reluctant financiers of obamascam. To survive obamascam MUST have a very high percentage of the 18-34 group buy policies, pay premiums, and not file claims. However in the endless contradictions, mistakes, errors, and lunacy within obamascam,,,,,That group is allowed to stay on their parents policy, for a tiny uptick in premium until that\y are 26 years old.

Pelosism: You must pass it to know what's in it.,,,,,,,,,,,,And once you know what's in it you will CRY.

 

I take that to mean that you cannot explain why you think Republicans are hurting themselves and it is obobo who had ratings in the dumpster.

Are you aware that if a president has an approval rating below 50% and obobo is WELL below 50. That the presidents party ALWAYS loses seats in a mid-term election. That is not right opinion or left opinion. That is history.

The presidents party usually loses seats in mid-terms anyway, but when he is disapproved, it is a lock.

 

Nope can't have it both ways debt is not savings and no amount of higher education in economics can make it so

 

Gosh. I guess media consumers are... hmmmm... aliens?

I'd like to see evidence that Democrats deliberately hid the bill from Congress.

LOL. I don't need to support claims that you make.

No. You said that the details were hidden. I asked several times which details they were and you keep dodging the question. Will you admit that you were wrong and that no details of the bill were hidden from Congress (here is a heads up: members of Congress usually read bills before they sign them).

Can you please prove that Pelosi stated that the ACA was hidden from lawmakers? A quote would be nice. "We have to pass it for you to see what's in it" doesn't refer to lawmakers, it refers to the public (the "you", not the "we").

You said "details" were hidden from lawmakers. You offered no proof.

Okay, so we're back to your claim that "details" were hidden from lawmakers. Which parts of the bill could they not look at before they voted on it?

 

So you know more than the macroeconomists? That is very conceited of you.

National debt is private sector savings. For if you are not SPENDING in the private sector, you are SAVING your money through the purchase of GOVERNMENT DEBT SECURITIES (Bonds). If the government decides to create a surplus, your SAVINGS will diminish, because it the amount of debt being paid out to debt holders diminishes. It isn't that hard of a concept to grasp.

If government debt were zero, there would be no bonds to park your money.