Obamacare Is Succeeding!

I don't care who you are,,,,,,,,this is funny stuff.

 

I never dodged anything they hid the bill from congressional scrutiny the bill includes contents and details I clearly answered your question.

The hid all the details as i pointed out because they hid the bill until it was passed.

SO you have managed to run in cowardly fashion from the original question clearly you are wrong and this bill was unpopular before, during and after it's passage.

You have admitted this in back handed fashion.

It doesnot matter who media consumers were Pelosi was answering a question asked by a reporter thats who she was speaking to she was not referring to the American people but to congress who in her own words had to pass the bill to see what it said.

Her words, you know she said them, you know she meant it, you know the bill was hidden because it was not popular.

 

The joke is on you. Answer these questions:

When is the national debt due?

How is the government able to fund itself despite social security, medicare, OBAMACARE, and medicaid being "unsustainable"?

When the government shuts down, how is Congress able to get paid?

The US Government bails out Wall Street, airlines, even your state. Who bails out the U.S. government?

 

People are individuals, but you want all of us to be part of a massive government health collective. Help me through the obvious disconnect.
What is next Universal GroceryCare?

 

No it is not concieted it is concieted to claim one is a macroeconomics expert and therefore immune to simple rules and standards of reality.

Such rules as words have meaning and do not change when wishes them to. Like savings is debt and debt is savings oh but not if you are borrowing something.

Conciet is when such stupidity masquerades as education and people get offended when simple facts prove them wrong

 

It seems to me that one should have to prove adulthood prior to voting.
If you are still living in mom's basement (who has a daddy these days?) and cannot manage to have your own health care then why should we believe you can vote responsibly?

 

No. I asked for evidence that the bill was hidden from lawmakers. You have not provided any evidence.

Are you saying that the Republicans in the House and Senate who voted on the bill didn't read the bill they voted on? Seems highly irresponsible, no?

I am challenging you to be truthful and back up your claims. You have yet to do so.

Please explain what I admitted to? Are you referring to the claim you made about me that you said I had to prove? Here's a hint: the only person who has to support their claim is the person who made it.

Then why did she change pronouns?

"But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what's in it."

She used "we" an "you". If you are correct, she would have used "we" and "we", as follows:

"But [we] have to pass the bill so that [we] can find out what's in it."

But she didn't say that. She said "you" because she wasn't referring to lawmakers, because the lawmakers who were voting on the bill only needed to read it.

Yes, her words, and she never said that lawmakers had to pass the bill before they know what's in it.

 

Like Medicare and the VA Hospitals they both seem to work.

What other option is there to cover the POOR just in Florida 800k-1 million would qualify for the Medicaid Expansion people that low income need a government program with low costs.

 

Yes she did say they had to pass it to see what was in it she clearly said this more than once and it is because the bill was hidden from congres who could not scrutinize it.
She admitted you deny it.
Thats fine proves how partisan brainwashed you are

 

I'm not an expert, I just did my reading.

Fact is fact.. national debt and personal debt are fundamentally different.

National Debt = Private Sector savings.

Here do some reading and contribute something more meaningful to this thread other than useless right wing talking points. They have poisoned your brain long enough.

Government Tightening It's Belt
Monetary Sovereignty
Debt Ceiling Dinosaur
Public Debt vs. Private Debt
Savings Are Our Debt
Impact of National Debt on Private Sector

National debt hysteria is NOTHING MORE than a TALKING POINT to convince the sheep that we need to cut government social services such as social security and medicaid. The moment more people realize this, the moment they will start to demand the end of business mogul lobbying and political warefare from our BOUGHT right wing politicians.

Ironically, the same right wingers spend like DRUNKEN sailors while in office, because they KNOW it creates wealth for the private sector.

National debt is just more bull(*)(*)(*)(*) to keep social policies like Obamacare from providing services to the citizens. Cut the welfare to corporations and banks before pulling the plug on useful things like health care for fellow citizens.

 

Nancy Pelosi did not say that Congress had to pass a bill before Congress knew what was in the bill. Sorry, but you're simply wrong.

 

How quickly things do change, in politics. (Ask Gov. Christie about that.)

 

My unemployed student grandson was turned down for assistance in getting health care coverage under ACA. It was not a success to him.

Medical Care for All

In my opinion the best way to extend our fine medical care system to those who have no coverage other than emergency room services is to automatically issue medicaid cards to everyone without current insurance.

Depending on the profitability of their employer, the employer should be billed for medicaid. If the individual earns enough to pay for his own, or part of his own coverage his employer should withhold the premiums from the individuals pay check.

For those without jobs medicaid should be extended without premium until the individual becomes employed or can otherwise afford to pay the premiums.

Those who have refused company provided health care to get more cash in their checks should automatically be enrolled in medicaid and the cash they are now receiving withheld and used to pay medicaid premiums. Likely they will jump at the chance to take company provided health care in lieu of medicaid.

County health units should be expanded to care within their capability all persons on medicaid, by creating outpatient clinics in conjunction with any Hill-Burton hospital in the area.

In my opinion the costs of this will be less than the ACA, and most important, will not depreciate the care those with care now receive.

 

Do you know what a Commonwealth is?

 

It will not only fail it will bring the nation down. Draconian systems fail, even when the rationing, the waiting, the tyranny are counted.

We will be best off when we have a national government that is once again reigned in, when it returns to being a constitutionally-limited Federal government with no role to play in health care.

Let us step back from the authoritarian tyrannical rule and return to free markets.

 

Trololo.

Yeah, like they couldn't have gotten health care, government-funded or otherwise, before 0bama's new tyrannical mandate to buy private insurance or pay a fine..

 

That people wanted healthcare refom does not in and of itself mean that they wanted socialized medicine. The more regulated it is the less available it will be.

 

Unfortunately, unless this tyrannical exercise is repealed the nation shares Obamacare's fate. The nation finds itself in the same death spiral.

Arm up. Learn how to shoot. Become friends with your neighbors. Trouble is here. More troubles are coming.

 

Exactly! The more regulated it is by insurance companies, the more likely the 50 million without health insurance will stay without health insurance.

 

More horse crap the fifty million without insurance are mostly those 18 to 30 year olds that have opted not to buy it.

 

Yes, lets step back from the authoritarian corporate tyrannical rule and begin to have free markets for the first time that cater to the people, instead of the few, which only serve the wealthy.

 

We'll, I guess I can agree about the horse crap part of your post. Which happens to be the entire sentence. "18 to 30 year old's that have opted not to buy it". Like they actually could have afforded it before Obamacare.

 

Amen!!!

 

Average of all polls:


obobo's overall job approval.

Disapprove, 52.2% Approve 42.5%


Christie, Approve 59%

What about Christie? He has NOTHING to do with the 2014 mid-terms. You could look that up.

And I don't live in NJ and the 2016 PRIMARIES are far away. And being a registered Independent, I cannot cast a primary vote in either parties primary.

Did you know that Governor Moonbeam Brown of CA, is thinking about challenging the Hildebeast in the Democrat primaries?

 

See you at the polls, in Nov. 2014.