Obama's Betrayal of Israel and Arming of Iran

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What About the US?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/13/opinion/friedman-what-about-us.html?_r=0

 

I think the question in the long run is either KSA-Israel or Turkey-Iran , supporting Israel alone provides no benefits .

Since i am new in the forum did any similar thread pop up when Bush betrayed his good ally Saddam ?

 

The question one really needs to ask is why shouldn't Iran be allowed to develop nuclear weapons? Israel has nuclear weapons and has launched countless wars in its short existence, acting in a dramatically more belligerent manner than Iran has - in fact Israel has threatened preemptive military action against Iran and has been implicated in the assassination of numerous Iranian physicists. Any self-respecting nation would want to develop a weapon that could prevent any such attack and to respond with should it be attacked.

The reason that Israel is scared of Iran developing nuclear weapons is that it would diminish its influence in the region and reduce the likelihood of support from the US in any conflict with Iran. Without the continued support of the US Israel would be forced to dial back its warmongering and cooperate with neighbouring countries. Israel doesn't have much credibility without the US there to support it.

 

What sort of "cooperation" does Israel has with Iran ? what's the Iranian peace suggestion ?

 

I'm not sure I understand the question or how it relates to my post.

From what I can tell you seem to be asking what Iran is doing with regards to peace but that misses the point. It is Israel that is threatening a preemptive military strike against Iran, not vice-versa. Developing nuclear weapons capabilities is not grounds for an attack and even if it were then Iran would be justified in attacking Israel, so that gets us nowhere. As usual Israel is behaving like the schoolyard bully, getting upset whenever it doesn't get its own way. The US is perfectly justified in seeking diplomacy with Iran and I am glad that Obama has chosen to do so, even if it does strike me as rather hypocritical given the previous rhetoric from himself and his administration.

Israel has done nothing but create problems in the region and it is time for western nations to stop blindly offering their support. It has shown absolutely no willingness to cooperate with neighbouring nations and continues to violate international law. Without western support there is no way that Israel would pursue such a belligerent foreign policy.

PS - I notice that you didn't actually address any of the points I made.

 

You speak as if Israel and Iran meet for the first time...., Iran is waging war on Israel throu Hamas and Hizbullah - for decades so its not just exchanging insults throu the media,

You said Israel should get its arm twisted (Iranian nuke) so it will collaborate with its neighbors, I asked what sort of collaboration does Iran suggest once it gets Israel arm twisted? what will appease it to make it peacful toward Israel ?

The answer ofc (and this is my reply to your question) is none, they dont offer any peace with Israel only a one state with Arab majurity that will end the state of Israel - but allowing the Jews to live there, thx btw.

So, since they oppose the 2 states solution (and oppose another UN resolution by it) their Nuke will not be used to bring peace only to limit Isreali defensive measures and weaken it, and yes. preamtive strikes against an enemy that opposes peace is an act of defense.

 

Why doesn't Israel defend itself? Make a clean breast of the fact you have nuclear weapons and promise that Iran will be eradicated if they even think of using a nuke on Israel. Maybe some Arabs will start thinking twice if they have their faces rubbed in the potential consequences of WMD use on Israel.

 

Iran and Israel are currently at peace ('peace' being defined as "the state existing during the absence of war"). That's not to say there isn't tension but Iran doesn't have to offer anything further because peace already exists. It is Israel that has threatened war on numerous occasions and has pressured the US into getting involved. Israel has made is clear on numerous occasions that it will not tolerate a nuclear Iran, despite that being a patently hypocritical stance. As for the recognition of Israel, Iran is under no obligation to recognise Israel as a legitimate state - that's no different to Israel and the US refusing to recognise Palestine.

Why should Israel be allowed nuclear weapons but Iran not be? Opposing the existence of Israel is not a valid reason.

Iran isn't interested in using nuclear weapons, much less preemptively. It is Israel that has stated it will use "any means necessary" to prevent a nuclear Iran, which by implication includes the use of nuclear weapons. Israel's idea of defending itself is to attack other nations.

 

We reject such "peace", if what Iran and Israel have is defined "peace" in your book then I say that's BS and propaganda attack against my country, we will fight against such "peace" and will even get international support to that,

Show me where did the US oppose the existance of the state of Palestine ? it gives them money and holds peace talks just for that end, in fact the first condition the US had to support Israel during Ben Gurion days was for Israel to neglact its dream of a state from river to sea - and he accepted. Israel leaders also stated many times they support a state throu agreement and mutual acceptance.
Opposing the existence of Israel is the most valid reason and is a most vile crime against an accepted member of the UN, that justifies any defensive measure Israel can take.

 

Its not the use of Nuke that's a real possibility but "normal" warfare that will be affected, they operate under the radar with terror org. till now Israel would take a few hits and then go to an OP to clear the bad air, now Iran and Syria have long range missiles and the pretext to go to war with Israel once it attacks Gaza for example but they dont for the fear of its nuke, if Iran gets the Nuke what will stop it from bombing Israe when it goes to an OP?

You can rest assured that Israel will not let Hamas or Hizbi's attack it around the clock so the only option is to deny Iran of Nuke - if Israel is up to it, if not any diplomatic deal should be accepted, time will tell.

 

Iran having or not having a nuke has no bearing on whether it continues supporting Hamas or Hezbollah. What it will guarantee is that Israel wont attack
Iran. It's the classic MAD and neither side wants that, period. Iran will not directly attack Israel. Indirectly - a nuke makes no difference

 

When has Israel not defended itself - it continually does with "pre-emptive" strikes hence a need for nukes in the other countries. None of the countries will use a nuke against a country that also has a nuke

 

Of course you guys reject peace. You need chaos and war to thrive. Peace to anti-Christ Talmudists means no opposition to them being supreme over all the Earth not just a bunch of sand from the Mediteranean to a river in Iraq/Syria.

. And of course you guys will fight peace and even get international support, because you are masters at black flag operations and dialectics.

That article: Obama's Betrayal of Israel and Arming of Iran by Terresa Monroe-Hamilton - NoisyRoom.net, November 8th, 2013,
is a masterpiece of tricknowledgy and dialectical deception.

The Isrealis use their Talmu-"Islamic" assets to create a real problem for America & Europe while pretending to oppose it and warning the West. This way you guys can use your fake Islam as a weapon against the whole world, while all the while putting on a great show of righteously opposing our weakness and foolishness under color of your "suffering servant" image.

Even if the Israelis had a 100% pure bloodline connection to Abraham, they are cut off from all the Prophets, Saints, grandmothers and grandfathers of all genuine Israel & Judah, and from "nature's God", Jesus Christ the King of Israel & Judah.

The simple fact that the Israelis invaded Syrian Palestine, are anti-Christs, and have been secretly and openly waging war on Syria, the Mother of Israel, makes them cut off from any valid claim to be Israel.

In the Biblical Covenant between Israel and Syria (Laban), all of Israel's children belong to Syria, and Israel agreed to a non-aggression pact and to serve the Gospel of Life. (Genesis 31:43-55)

 

The quote you speak of is Laban wrongly stating that all of what Jacob had earned from his twenty years of service to Laban was still owned by Jacob. Maybe you should stick to the quran, you probably know that better than the Bible.

 

Which is exactly my point. Israel isn't interested in peace - it's only interested in dominance, in getting its own way; aggression is all it knows. And let's be clear, there was no "propaganda attack" made against your country. If you can't accept that there is currently peace between Israel and Iran and your proposed 'solution' to that is military action then I think that speaks to your contempt for peace.

For starters, the US refuses to recognise the existence of Palestine - that is categorical proof of my statement. Then there was the withdrawal of funding to UNESCO when it accepted membership from Palestine. There have also been numerous funding freezes and undue political pressure. That's without even going into all the UN Security Council Resolutions vetoed by the US to favour Israel. I am astounded that you could come to any other conclusion.

Yet still Israel holds political prisoners, authorises illegal settlements in violation of international law and continues to operate as an apartheid state. Nothing it has done suggests any sort of "mutual acceptance".

The refusal to recognise Israel is not a crime, no matter how much you would like it to be. Further, refusal to recognise Israel does not warrant any "defensive" measure that Israel can take, especially when we know Israel's idea of "defence" is a preemptive military strike.

You seem to be in denial of Israel's foreign policy.

 

The U.S will never get involved in a war for Israel again, the U.S is suffering an economic crisis because of the Iraq war, which was a war for the sake of Israel (America's little b!tch).
America will not repeat that again.

 

Lawl.

Iran wants nuclear energy, not weapons. Meanwhile, an even worse regime right on Israel's doorstep is apparently acquiring nukes from another nuclear-armed regime.

But no worries there, right? Naw.

I can't believe how deluded you people are re: Iran.

 

I can hear the brains of the Zionist Cabal of Israel ,Anti-Semitism ,this anti-Semitism that ,maybe its the genocide they continue against the Palestinian Population ,the political assassinations ,Arafat for example .

The total disregard for international law. And their insistence of being recognised as "Gods ,special chosen ones'.

Makes all Democratically Minded peoples detest them so!

One minor correction if I may be so bold ,if the US Imperialism ,stopped its support in any way for the Apartheid state Israel ,it would cease to exist !

Only thing that keeps this ,abomination of the united nations going ,really ,the UN's Pseudo -nation formed in 1947-8,as a bulwark against the Arab Nation and the UNIFICATION OF ITS DIVIDED PEOPLE'S. .

 

You may get a hearing if Isarel handed over its Nukes ,we all know they have to UN inspectors ,chance of them acting reasonably =Zero ,Zionist Fascist regimes ,Reasonable ,what am I thinking .

 

President Obama has not betrayed the Israelis. The whole Arabs vs Israelis conflict is a stage play to hoodwink Americans & Europeans.

Ever since Mohammed was killed, a hidden hand has used Islam as a dialectical tool against Christendom.
It is not really different now.
So the noise about President Obama is just drama to keep the goyim confused.

BTW
That hidden hand overthrew the Iranian government and put in the Shah, then overthrew the Shah and put in Khomeni.
Who is to say that the fuss about Iran is not part of a hidden agenda too?
Real Iranians produced The Prophet Joseph video. Best version of Joseph's story produced so far.

 

It certainly is clear enough to me that Iran is a propaganda tool for elites in Israel and the rest of the west. Kinda like North Korea. Each is a small regime far removed that can nonetheless be used when it's handy to artificially justify some policy or other. They make decent smokescreens to disguise what's really going on.

As you say, they keep us all confused using these lies based around such foreign entities. It's all a part of the global chess game they play at the expense of our wealth, and sometimes our very lives.

 

False!!! before the fall of the Shah, Iran had diplomatic relations with Israel when suddenly Khomeini and his twiddle do and twiddle dim arrived on the scene and from that moment on, not a single day passed by without defaming the US and Israel (the big Satan and the small Satan)... Ahmedinejad brought the whole situation to a head forcing his mob to shout death to American and death to Israel burning their respective flags, trampling on them, spitting on them and urinating on them in naddition to the slogan of death to America and death to Israel, mentioning at any occasion that Israel will be wiped out of the face of the earth..

Apparently as an Arab using the slogans that have been inculcated in Arab minds... you could not come with a better/honest description of a thriving Democracy, in fact the only real one surrounded by a sea of tyrants, I live here and I know what apartheid means. Israel my country is a bastion of Democracy, rule and order and the most accommodating place for the Arab folks to work strive and better their lively hood, without Israel which employs 99% of these miscreants, dishonest and unreliable people they would have died of hunger... I am going to illustrate what I mean by <unreliable and treasonous>. A woman forcefully burnt in Gaza because she befriended someone without parental acquiescence was brought to Israel hospital that excel in burns and a skin bank... she was healed a few months later (did not pay a cent for the Jewish medical attention and procedures) and returned home to appear again at a check point with Israel to be arrested wearing a 'Bomb Belt'... Apparently her parents would forgive her if she would go blow herself in an Israeli surrounding.

I will not comment on the above as I regard my source with all due respect for integrity and honesty in addition to their belief in a <just cause>... To suggest otherwise is to opt for your nonsensical defamatory description of a country stepping forward, full of energy with savoir faire, inventions, benevolence and humane etc., let the reader read and find your post exremely unreliable.

 

Less likely... Israel will not initiate <Nuclear Offensive> but rather Nuclear retaliation to the finish!
Israel has had enough of the daily, insults, defamations and lies... There is still time to take the gloves off.

 

None of that has anything to do with my post. Burning American and Israeli flags isn't a criminal offence and there have been countless instances of Americans and Israelis burning Qurans, so offensive behaviour clearly isn't a trait exclusive to Iranians. As for the Ahmadinejad quote that Israel should be "wiped off the map" that was an inaccurate translation as it was in reference to the illegitimacy of the state, not a threat to attack Israel - it was a serious misrepresentation of what was actually said. If you didn't know that then that is shameful and if you did then you tried to deliberately mislead people here and perpetuate the very sort of propaganda you supposedly oppose.

If you actually believe that then that is incredibly concerning. Do you honestly believe that so many Arabs in the region hate Israel because it is "the most accommodating place of Arab folks to work strive and better their lively hood"? Such a statement is patently absurd. Israel is so hated because of the way it has illegally annexed land and built "settlements" (which should not be called such when they dwarf many western cities); deprives Palestinians of water, food and medical supplies (it has employed a deliberate policy of starving Palestinians); refuses to allow Palestine to exist as an independent state free from interference; has committed war crimes; and treats Arabs as second class citizens (hence why so many regard it as an apartheid state).

I find it reprehensible that anyone could advocate war on the basis of "insults, defamation and lies". No reasonable person could condone such actions.

 

You have a great way with words theyarecomingforyou:
"Burning American and Israeli flags isn't a criminal offence and there have been countless instances of Americans and Israelis burning Qurans, so offensive behaviour clearly isn't a trait exclusive to Iranians.
As for the Ahmadinejad quote that Israel should be "wiped off the map" that was an inaccurate translation as it was in reference to the illegitimacy of the state, not a threat to attack Israel - it was a serious misrepresentation of what was actually said.
If you didn't know that then that is shameful and if you did then you tried to deliberately mislead people here and perpetuate the very sort of propaganda you supposedly oppose."

However, regarding the popular image of Arab haters, There is a dimension that is seldom addressed.
Ever since Muhammed was assassinated, a hidden hand has been controlling most of what passes for Islam.
And, that hidden hand uses "Islam" to create the picture it wants us to see, unjust Arab hatred for example.

PS very nice icon you chose theyarecomingforyou. Good job.