Obama's Betrayal of Israel and Arming of Iran

Nice piece of disconnected assumption and guesswork. Not a single fact presented. I'm impressed.

 

" Just recently some IDF soldiers were killed by mines left years ago in Lebanon by the IDF "
Where did u read this ? send link .

" The mines were left on Lebanese land by the IDF.

No Israeli land was used in this mine field " ??? Cant understand that sentence !

 

Slight mistake. recently 4 injured, not killed. However some have been killed:

Soldier killed in IDF minefield : Difficult morning in southern Lebanon: A Givati Brigade soldier was killed after IDF forces walked into a minefield in southern Lebanon Wednesday morning. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3294794,00.html

4 soldiers injured in blast on Lebanese border : http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4414773,00.html

The sentence explained : the mine field laid down by the IDF in 2006 lies all on Lebanese territory. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1127-05.htm

 

Well ya that's what I just said.

So you oppose a 2 state solution along the '48 borders let alone the '67 borders are you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing kidding me? Ya look at a map buddy, in fact look at the map of the ENTIRE mandate of Palestine to realize that the Arabs through partition were granted a total of 80% of the Mandate of Palestine, but apparently Jews on the 20% was to much.

Really questioned by who sir? The UNSC who divided up German territory following the signing? You don't have a clue what you're talking about do you? Territorial gain through defensive war is justified and legal as proven conclusively by the 5 powers and anyone who says differently is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing liar and ignorant hypocrite.

Refugees under the responsibility of their fellow Arabs who started the war to assimilate them into their society, however, instead they were kept in concentration camp status and breed with strong purpose to kill Jews, is there a man alive that will deny that the Arab League used the refugee camps to breed Fedayeen?

Aww we have a bible fan here do we? Sorry sport it's a fictional (*)(*)(*)(*)ing narrative. Grow up.



The prevailing opinion today is that the Israelites, who eventually evolved into modern Jews and Samaritans, are an outgrowth of the indigenous Canaanites who had resided in the area since the 8th millennium BCE.[8] The name Israel first appears c. 1209 BCE, at the end of the Late Bronze Age and the very beginning of the period archaeologists and historians call Iron Age I, in an inscription of the Egyptian pharaoh Merneptah. The inscription is very brief and says simply: "Israel is laid waste and his seed is not". The hieroglyph accompanying the name "Israel" indicates that it refers to a people, most probably located in the highlands of Samaria.[9] Over the next two hundred years (the period of Iron Age I) the number of highland villages increased from 25 to over 300[10] and the settled population doubled to 40,000.[11] There is general agreement that the majority of the population living in these villages was of Canaanite origin.[10] By the 10th century BCE a rudimentary state had emerged in the north-central highlands,[12] and in the 9th century this became a kingdom. The kingdom was sometimes called Israel by its neighbours, but more frequently it was known as the "House (or Land) of Omri."[13] Settlement in the southern highlands was minimal from the 12th through the 10th centuries BCE, but a state began to emerge there in the 9th century,[14] and from 850 BCE onwards a series of inscriptions are evidence of a kingdom which its neighbours refer to as the "House of David."[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites#Historical_Israelites


^ Tubb, Johnathon (1998 ). Canaanites University of Oklahoma Press, http://books.google.com/books/about/Canaanites.html?id=GH-n4ctvlDYC

McNutt, Paula (1999). Reconstructing the Society of Ancient Israel. Westminster John Knox Press. ISBN 978-0-664-22265-9. http://books.google.com.au/books?id...srael++By+Paula+M.+McNutt#v=onepage&q&f=false

Grabbe, Lester L., ed. (2008 ). Israel in Transition: From Late Bronze II to Iron IIa (c. 1250–850 B.C.E.). T&T Clark International. ISBN 978-0-567-02726-9. http://books.google.com.au/books?id...+IIa+(c.+1250-850+B.C.E.)#v=onepage&q&f=false

Joffe, Alexander H. (2006). The Rise of Secondary States in the Iron Age Levant. University of Arizona Press. https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...&sig=AHIEtbSIm7oZkrq-cmEGQ9VcnnvfejrQSQ&pli=1

Davies, Philip R. (1992). In Search of Ancient Israel. Sheffield. ISBN 978-1-85075-737-5. http://books.google.com.au/books?id...+search+of+Ancient+Israel#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

The explosions were caused by Israeli anti-personnel mines placed in fields newly laid during the fighting in July and August in south Lebanon, the center said.

"This is the first evidence we have that the Israeli forces laid new mines in south Lebanon in 2006," the U.N. agency said in a statement.

Israeli military officials said they weren't convinced the mine in Friday's explosion was Israeli. There was no immediate comment from Israel on Saturday's reported incident.

"It could be a Hezbollah land mine or a mine laid by another country, and might not even be from the latest conflict. Many armies have fought there over many years," the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the inquiry into the incident was still at an initial stage.

The officials, however, were evasive when asked whether Israel had laid new mines in Lebanon this summer.

Dalya Farran, a spokeswoman for the U.N. agency, said its experts found the land mines and were able to tell they were new Israeli anti-personnel mines based on their "type, shape and condition."

Yep
The price everybody has to pay because Lebanon a puppet of Syria would not make peace with us.

"The entire area where the mine fields were found had been cleared by agency experts between 2002 and 2004, so clearly these are new ones," Farran said.

Lebanon's south is riddled with land mines, laid by retreating Israeli soldiers who pulled out of the region in 2000, after an 18-year occupation. Hezbollah has also planted mines to ward off Israeli forces.

 

Next time, When you write "Hezbollah" add the word Kalbs !!

 

Israel laid new mines following the crossborder raid by official members of the Lebanese government who murdered an Israeli citizen? Hmm, weird. What country are you from? You surely will take it as a jest when I launch hundreds of thousands of tons of high explosives into your country and then kidnap and murder one of your soldiers right? Oh wait of course you won't because you are a hypocrite.

 

Israeli soldiers set Lebanese forest on fire after four soldiers injured by landmine

Published Wednesday, August 7, 2013

http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/16662

An Israeli military spokesman told AFP that the Israeli troops were "carrying out nocturnal activities in the Lebanese border area when the explosion occurred," adding that the wounded had been hospitalized.

South Lebanon is riddled with tens of thousands of landmines and cluster bombs, many of whom were placed there by Israeli forces at the end of Israel’s occupation of the region in 2000 and during the July 2006 war.

Israel’s army regularly violates Lebanese sovereignty, crossing over the blue line demarcating the disputed border between Lebanon and Palestine, as well as sending war planes over Lebanese territory.

On Tuesday, Lebanon’s army registered two violations of the Lebanese airspace, as four Israeli planes flew over the northern city of Tripoli, the NNA reported.

 

lol yes those dang Israelis and their overt aggression towards the poor innocent Lebanese:

After 2006 Lebanon War

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701, adopted at the end of the 2006 Lebanon War, called for a full cessation of hostilities between Lebanon and Israel and for the Lebanese government to take full control of its territory, and it authorized the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) "to ensure that its area of operations is not utilized for hostile activities of any kind".[3] Nevertheless, since the war, there have been multiple rocket attacks on Israel from Lebanon. The Lebanese Government has not claimed responsibility for any of the attacks, and has disavowed some of them.

As of September 2009, There were an estimated 30,000 rockets in southern Lebanon, near Israel's border, all under the control of Hezbollah.[2]
June 17, 2007

Two Katyusha rockets were fired from Lebanon at northern Israel, striking the town of Kiryat Shmona. The rockets caused some damage but no casualties.[4][5]

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert called the incident "very disturbing".[4][5] Russian Ambassador to Lebanon Sergei Boukin voiced concern about the incident and said it was a violation of UN Resolution 1701.[6]

Hezbollah denied responsibility. A previously unknown militant Islamic group calling itself "Jihadi Badr Brigades – Lebanon branch" claimed responsibility and vowed to continue attacks, saying: "We had promised our people jihad. Here, we again strike the Zionists when a group from the Jihadi Badr Brigades struck the Zionists in the occupied Palestinian territory."[6]
January 8, 2009

At least three Katyusha rockets were fired from southern Lebanon into the area of Nahariya in northern Israel. One of the rockets directly hit a nursing home for the elderly. At least two people were wounded, one suffering a broken leg, and others suffered from shock. A witness said that the second floor of the facility, where the residents sleep, sustained heavy damage, and that many lives were saved because they were in the dining hall at the time. Israel Police ordered residents of the city to remain close to fortified areas, and Shlomi Regional Council residents were told to open their bomb shelters; school in the area was cancelled. The incident took place during the Gaza War.[7][8][9]

Israel responded by firing five artillery shells into Lebanon, which it said was a pinpoint response at the source of fire.[7][8]

The Lebanese Office of the Prime Minister rejected the attack on Israel, saying: "Prime Minister Siniora regards what happened in the south as a violation of the international resolution 1701 and something he does not accept and Siniora called for an investigation into the incident". Hezbollah denied involvement, as did Hamas sources in Lebanon. An official from the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command did not deny responsibility for the attack, and stated: "Don’t be surprised to see more rockets launched into northern Israel. It’s a normal response to Israel’s brutal aggression."[8][10]
January 14, 2009

In the second such attack in a week, rockets were fired from Lebanon into Israel, landing near the town of Kiryat Shmona. No injury or damage was reported. Residents fled to bomb shelters.[11]

According to Haaretz, the attack and the previous one were carried out by Hezbollah through the proxy of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command, a close Hezbollah ally.[12]

United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon expressed alarm at the incident and urged restraint from all sides.[13]
February 21, 2009

Two rockets were fired from near the Lebanese coastal town of Naqoura into northern Israel, one striking a mostly Christian Arab Israeli village. At least one person was lightly injured.[14]

Israel responded by firing some six artillery shells at the launch area, causing no injuries.[14]

Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora said that the rockets "threatened security and stability" in the region and violated UN Resolution 1701. He also called Israel's retaliation "an unjustified violation of Lebanese sovereignty."[14]
September 11, 2009

Two Katyusha rockets were fired from Lebanon into northern Israel, one striking near Nahariya and another near Kibbutz Gesher Haziv. No damage or injury was reported. A witness said that the rockets had sparked panic, with residents entering bunkers and children being evacuated from schools. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that the attack violated United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701 and that Israel would hold the Lebanese government accountable for it.[2][15][16]

Israel responded by firing some 12 artillery shells at the launch area, near Qlayleh. No damage or injury was reported.[16]

The United Nations condemned the attack on Israel and urged both sides "to exercise maximum restraint."[2]

According to Lebanese commentators, the attack on Israel was connected to the country's political crisis exacerbated by Saad Hariri's inability to form a government. United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) spokesman Milos Strugar blamed radicals from Palestinian refugee camps in southern Lebanon for the attack.[16]

UNIFIL had been warned of a possible attack 10 days before it occurred, and the UN body informed the Lebanese army two days before the attack.[16]
October 27, 2009

A Katyusha rocket was fired from Lebanese town of Hula into northern Israel, striking an open area east of Kiryat Shmona. The rocket caused a fire, but no serious damage or injury was reported. An Israeli military spokeswoman said Israel was treating the shooting "very seriously" and that it held the Lebanese government responsible.[17][18]

Israel responded with artillery fire at Lebanon, causing no casualties,[17] and lodged a complaint with the United Nations.[19]

The Brigades of Abdullah Azzam, Battalions of Ziad Jarrah, a group linked to Al-Qaeda, claimed responsibility. In a statement, the group linked the attack to the 2009 Temple Mount riots: "The occupying Jews have dared to repeatedly raid the courtyard of Al-Aqsa Mosque ... In response to this aggression, a battalion among the Battalions of Ziad Jarrah" fired the Katyusha, the group said.[20] Nevertheless, Lebanese President Michel Suleiman said that an "Israeli agent" was responsible for the attack.[21]

The United States condemned the attack and, in a reference to Hezbollah, said it underscored the need to disarm all Lebanese groups.[22]

UNIFIL launched an inquiry into the incident. The following day, the Lebanese military discovered four more rockets, ready to be fired, in the garden and on the balcony of a house belonging to the mayor of Hula.[18]

The Lebanese Army later arrested Fadi Ibrahim of Ein el-Hilweh near Sidon for firing the rocket. Ibrahim was said to be a member of Fatah al-Islam, which is linked to al-Qaida. According to Lebanese daily A-Safir, Ibrahim and his followers were responsible for the subsequently discovered rockets as well.[23]
November 29, 2011

Shortly after midnight, four 122-millimeter rockets were fired at Israel from an area between Aita Shaab and Rumaysh in southern Lebanon. Two rockets landed near the Israeli localities of Biranit and Netu'a in the Western Galilee, some 700 meters from the Lebanese border. No injuries or damage were reported.[24] Two additional rockets severely damaged a chicken coop and caused a propane gas tank to go up in flames. The Israel Defense Forces returned artillery fire at the launch site, causing no casualties.[25][26]

The Abdullah Azzam Brigades, a group affiliated with al-Qaeda, reportedly claimed responsibility for the attack on Israel. Part of a statement attributed to the group read: "On Tuesday morning 29/11/2011 a unit from Abdullah Azzam Brigades shelled Zionist settlements in north Palestine from south Lebanon and the missiles have hit their targets. Victory is but from God."[27] The group later denied this and implied that responsibility lay with Syria and Hezbollah.[28] Hezbollah itself denied any connection to the attack.[29]

United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned the attack and called for "maximum restraint" from the parties concerned. The United States State Department also condemned the attack, calling it a "provocative act" that undermined Lebanon's stability and violated Resolution 1701.[29]
December 11, 2011

A rocket fired at Israel from the southern Lebanese village of Majdal Silim fell short and hit a home in Hula, Lebanon, injuring a Lebanese woman.[30]
November 21, 2012

Two rockets fired from Lebanon at Israel landed within Lebanon, according to Beirut officials.[31]

The previous day, a Lebanese army patrol had discovered two ready-to-launch 107mm Grad rockets between the villages of Halta and Mari, about 2 miles from the Israeli border. The forces defused the rockets. IDF official Brig. Gen. Yoav Mordechai said Palestinian factions in Lebanon were probably behind the plot.[32]

On November 22, the Lebanese army disarmed an additional rocket aimed at Israel, in Marjayoun, about 10 kilometers from the border.[33]
May 26, 2013

A rocket was fired from south Lebanon towards Israel, but it was not clear where the rocket landed and there were no immediate reports of damage inside Israel.[34]
August 22, 2013

Four Katyusha rockets fired from southern Lebanon targeted northern Israel, setting off air-raid sirens in Acre, Nahariya and additional areas in the Western Galilee, causing no casualties but some damage. The Iron Dome defense system intercepted one of the rockets. The Abdallah Azzam Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack. The United States condemned the rocket fire and called it a violation of UN Security Council Resolution 1701.[35] Israel retaliated by carrying out an airstrike on a target near Beirut.[36]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lebanese_rocket_attacks_on_Israel#November_29.2C_2011

How dare Israel defend herself, the simple audacity to defend against decades long Arab genocide attempts, and what's more they keep fending them off!


To the Christians
If you, Christians, cannot tolerate that Muslims share with you certain domains of government, Allah has also made it intolerable for Muslims to participate in an unjust regime, unjust for you and for us, in a regime which is not predicated upon the prescriptions (ahkam) of religion and upon the basis of the Law (the Shari’a) as laid down by Muhammad, the Seal of the Prophets.


http://www.cfr.org/terrorist-organizations-and-networks/open-letter-hizballah-program/p30967

Hezbollah uses Christian villages as shields in missile attacks

Washington D.C., Aug 3, 2006 / 12:00 am (CNA).- Recent reports indicate that Hezbollah is using Christian villages to shield its attacks against Israel.

According to Christian Solidarity International, Hezbollah is hiding among civilian populations, mostly in southern Lebanese towns, such as Ain Ebel, Rmeish, Alma Alshaab.

This is not a new strategy for Hezbollah. Col. Charbel Barka, a former South Lebanese Army commander, says Hezbollah is repeating what it did in attacks against Israel in 1996.

A Christian from the village of Ain Ebel, who requested to remain nameless for fear of a reprisal from Hezbollah, reported that he found Hezbollah fighters setting up a launcher on his rooftop. Hezbollah fighters ignored his pleas to stop and fired the missiles. He immediately gathered his family and fled his home, which was bombed 15 minutes later by an Israeli air strike.


http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n...stian_villages_as_shields_in_missile_attacks/

Report: Hezbollah officials receive indictments in Hariri murder probe
UN-backed tribunal arrives in Beirut to issue four arrest warrants for Hezbollah officials accused of the assassination of former Lebanon PM.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/r...e-indictments-in-hariri-murder-probe-1.370449

The only reason why Christians are not persecuted more extremely by Hezbollah is because Christians form 40% of the Lebanese population and until a few decades ago held a majority within the country, but unfortunately they are being slowly ethnically cleansed and flee in droves.

I find it very interesting that you attempt to discredit the secular FSA by accusing them of being Islamist, while at the same time offering admiration for the overtly theocratic and puritanical Islamist Hezbollah:


We are often asked: Who are we, the Hizballah, and what is our identity? We are the sons of the umma (Muslim community) - the party of God (Hizb Allah) the vanguard of which was made victorious by God in Iran. There the vanguard succeeded to lay down the bases of a Muslim state which plays a central role in the world. We obey the orders of one leader, wise and just, that of our tutor and faqih (jurist) who fulfills all the necessary conditions: Ruhollah Musawi Khomeini. God save him!

By virtue of the above, we do not constitute an organized and closed party in Lebanon. nor are we a tight political cadre. We are an umma linked to the Muslims of the whole world by the solid doctrinal and religious connection of Islam, whose message God wanted to be fulfilled by the Seal of the Prophets, i.e., Muhammad. This is why whatever touches or strikes the Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Philippines and elsewhere reverberates throughout the whole Muslim umma of which we are an integral part. Our behavior is dictated to us by legal principles laid down by the light of an overall political conception defined by the leading jurist (wilayat al-faqih).

We call upon all of them to pick the option of Islamic government which, alone, is capable of guaranteeing justice and liberty for all. Only an Islamic regime can stop any further tentative attempts of imperialistic infiltration into our country.

The Necessity for the Destruction of Israel

We see in Israel the vanguard of the United States in our Islamic world. It is the hated enemy that must be fought until the hated ones get what they deserve. This enemy is the greatest danger to our future generations and to the destiny of our lands, particularly as it glorifies the ideas of settlement and expansion, initiated in Palestine, and yearning outward to the extension of the Great Israel, from the Euphrates to the Nile.

Our primary assumption in our fight against Israel states that the Zionist entity is aggressive from its inception, and built on lands wrested from their owners, at the expense of the rights of the Muslim people. Therefore our struggle will end only when this entity is obliterated. We recognize no treaty with it, no cease fire, and no peace agreements, whether separate or consolidated.

We vigorously condemn all plans for negotiation with Israel, and regard all negotiators as enemies, for the reason that such negotiation is nothing but the recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist occupation of Palestine. Therefore we oppose and reject the Camp David Agreements, the proposals of King Fahd, the Fez and Reagan plan, Brezhnev's and the French-Egyptian proposals, and all other programs that include the recognition (even the implied recognition) of the Zionist entity.


http://www.cfr.org/terrorist-organizations-and-networks/open-letter-hizballah-program/p30967

 

"Hezbollah Kalbs "

HA...HA..HA... RIGHT Will do so , although we must be careful it maybe against the rules in here !!!

 

Aww he supports Iranian occupation of Lebanon, how cute.

 

The population of Lebanon changed dramatically in 1948 with the influx of refugees from Palestine.

 

(*)(*)(*)(*)ing lies they were all herded into concentration camps which exist to this very day so stuff the bull(*)(*)(*)(*)!!!

Lebanon

The total number of registered refugees in Lebanon is about 455,000, of which 225,125 refugees are in 12 official camps.[2]

The Palestinians' Lebanese camps became ghettos as the Palestinians were barred from citizenship, finding certain jobs, or traveling abroad.[3] Some of these refugee camps, overcrowded and filled with angry refugees, helped seed the beginnings of Yasser Arafat's Fatah group; guerrilla attacks on Israel were launched from some of the Palestinian camps in Lebanon.[4]

Following major armed conflict in Nahr al-Bared in 2007, the Lebanese government sought greater input into the rebuilding of the camp, and in the camp's ongoing management[citation needed]. The government wanted the ability to intervene in the future, and to exercise police powers there instead of the Palestinian armed forces that had policed the camp previously.[3]

1955, Beddawi camp, 16,500
1948, Burj el-Barajneh, 16,026 [1][2]
1955, Burj el-Shemali, 19,500
1956, Dbayeh, 4,223
Tel al-Zaatar, destroyed
1948, Ein el-Hilweh, 47,500
1948, El-Buss, 9,840
Jisr el-Basha, destroyed
1952, Mar Elias, 600
1954, Mieh Mieh, 4,578
Nabatieh camp, destroyed in 1973
1949, Nahr al-Bared, 28,358 destroyed in 2007
1963, Rashidieh, 27,000
1949, Shatila, 8,500
1948, Wavel, 8,000


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_refugee_camps#Lebanon

Arab propaganda will not be allowed to pass on this site I suggest you go elsewhere, this isn't the KSA where bull(*)(*)(*)(*) walks.

 

I've been to Lebanon many, many times.. The first time I saw the Palestinian refugee camps that stretched from the airport to Beirut in 1952.

Where did you like to stay in Beirut?

 

This lists the current Palestine refugee camps with current population and year they were established.

Jordan

There are ten refugee camps in Jordan. Jordan has 2 million registered Palestinian refugees.
1955, Amman New Camp (Wihdat), 51,500
1968, Baqa'a, 104,000
1968, Husn refugee camp (Martyr Azmi el-Mufti), 22,000
1968, Irbid camp, 25,000
1952, Jabal el-Hussein, 29,000
1968, Jerash camp, 24,000
1968, Marka refugee camp, 53,000
1967, Souf refugee camp, 20,000
1968, Talbieh refugee camp, 7,000
1949, Zarqa camp, 20,000

Lebanon[edit]

The total number of registered refugees in Lebanon is about 455,000, of which 225,125 refugees are in 12 official camps.[2]

The Palestinians' Lebanese camps became ghettos as the Palestinians were barred from citizenship, finding certain jobs, or traveling abroad.[3] Some of these refugee camps, overcrowded and filled with angry refugees, helped seed the beginnings of Yasser Arafat's Fatah group; guerrilla attacks on Israel were launched from some of the Palestinian camps in Lebanon.[4]

Following major armed conflict in Nahr al-Bared in 2007, the Lebanese government sought greater input into the rebuilding of the camp, and in the camp's ongoing management[citation needed]. The government wanted the ability to intervene in the future, and to exercise police powers there instead of the Palestinian armed forces that had policed the camp previously.[3]
1955, Beddawi camp, 16,500
1948, Burj el-Barajneh, 16,026 [1][2]
1955, Burj el-Shemali, 19,500
1956, Dbayeh, 4,223
Tel al-Zaatar, destroyed
1948, Ein el-Hilweh, 47,500
1948, El-Buss, 9,840
Jisr el-Basha, destroyed
1952, Mar Elias, 600
1954, Mieh Mieh, 4,578
Nabatieh camp, destroyed in 1973
1949, Nahr al-Bared, 28,358 destroyed in 2007
1963, Rashidieh, 27,000
1949, Shatila, 8,500
1948, Wavel, 8,000

Syria[edit]

Syria has 10 official camps, 3 unofficial camps and 496,000 registered refugees.
1950, Dera'a, 10,000
1967, Dera'a (Emergency), 7,000
1950, Hama, 8,000
1949, Homs, 22,000
1948, Jaramana, 18,658
1950, Khan Dunoun, 10,000
1949, Khan Eshieh, 20,000
1948, Neirab, 20,500
1967, Qabr Essit, 23,700
1948, Sbeineh, 22,600

Unofficial camps in Syria:
1955-6, Latakia camp, 10,000 registered refugees
1957, Yarmouk Camp, 148,500 registered refugees
1962, Ein Al-Tal, 6,000 registered refugees [3]

West Bank[edit]

The West Bank has 19 official camps with 194,514 refugees.
1950, Aida, 4,151
1949, Am'ari, 8,083
1948, Aqabat Jabr, 5,197
1950, Arroub, 9,180
1950, Askar, 31,894
1950, Balata, 41,681
1950, Beit Jibrin ('Azza), 1,828
1950, Camp No.1 (Ein Beit al-Ma'), 6,221
1949, Deir Ammar, 2,189
1949, Dheisheh, 10,923
1948, Ein as-Sultan, 1,888
1949, Far'a, 11,836
1949, Fawwar, 7,072
1949, Jalazone, 9,284
1953, Jenin, 35,050
1949, Kalandia, 9,188
1952, Nur Shams, 8,179
1965, Shu'fat, 9,567
1950, Tulkarm, 17,259

Gaza Strip[edit]

The Gaza Strip has eight official camps and 1.1 million registered refugees.
1948, Beach camp (Shati), 87,000
1949, Bureij, 34,000
1948, Deir el-Balah camp, 21,000
1948, Jabalia (Jabaliya), 110,000
1949, Khan Yunis, 72,000
1949, Maghazi, 24,000
1949, Nuseirat, 66,000
1949, Rafah camp, 104,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_refugee_camps

 

Margot, his over the top reactionary responses are all you need to know. Forget it, the guy is brainwashed.

 

In response to Margot:

As she is aware the name "Falastin" comes from the Latin term, "Palæstina" a geographic term created by the Romans.

The term Muslims used in the past “Jund Filastin” (Province of Palestine) is in fact a Greco-Roman term.

There was never a nation called Palestine or a people referred to as Palestinians in reference to it being a nationalist identity reference until after 1967. The fact that some Arabs as Margo claimed said they were from Palestine, might have used the term geographically but to say it was used as a nationalist identity term is absurd.

No Palestinian state ever existed.

This is why prior to 1967 the Palestinian and Arab leaders at that time ridiculed it as a nationalist concept and you will find no shortage of quotes from Arab peoples such as these:


"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".

- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -


"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".

- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -


"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria".

- Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 -




"The only Arab domination since the Conquest in 635 c.e. hardly lasted, as such, 22 years".

"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel".

- Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council -


"You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people".

- Syrian dictator Hafez Assad to the PLO leader Yassir Arafat -

What I also find interesting is that for a stickler for historic facts Margot you would not be aware that during the British Mandate the term Palestinian was used to describe Jews of that area not Arabs.

In fact the term "Palestine" as used by Christians West, was synonymous for the "Promised Land" or the "Holy Land" and the terms "Palestine" and "Palestinian" were analogous to the terms "Israel" and "Jew".

"Palestinian" was used to identify Jews living in the Holy Land as opposed to Jews living elsewhere, i.e.,Babylonia, Persia, Greece, Rome, or elsewhere.

There is a Jewish Talmud referred to by historians the “Palestinian Talmud” .

The Arab words, “Al Quds” and “Beit al Muqdas” used to describe Jerusalem are Arab translations of the original Hebrew words,:“Ha-Qodesh” and “Beit ha-Miqdash” “the Holy (City)” and “the Holy House” (i.e., “Holy Temple&#8221.

If one takes the time to trace back Arab names within Israel they will find they originate back toHebrew, Greek or Latin names, i.e., “Habrun” comes from the Hebrew “Hevron”, a“Nablus” from the Greek word "Nea Polis" which means new city which was in fact not really new as it was built on the ruins of Shechem and Ramleh or Ramallah built on the Jewish ruins of the city Ramathaim Zophim and which was to later serve as the alleged PROVINCIAL capital of Palestine.

Jerusalem is not even mentioned in the Koran. The Masjid Al-Aqsa or Mosque of Al Aqsa)and Qubbat as-Sahra or Dome of the Rock were directly built over the ruins of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem by the Muslims as a political act to show their superiority over not just Jews but Christians, i.e., to match the building of the Christian's Holy Sepulchre.

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My point was that the jews acceptance was disengenous.

Huh? Have you looked at the partition plan? It sure as hell doesn't resemble a two state solution.
And FYI, I happen to believe in the two state solution.

So the fourth geneva convention is toilet paper?

I would suggest you refrain from idiot statements starting with "anyone who" followed by insults directed at people who disagree with you.

I am not condoning the perpetual refugee status of the palestinians nor their abuse at the hands of their fellow arabs. I was merely pointing out that in 1948 they were legitimate refugees fleeing from territory taken militarily by the jews.

I am an atheist, but I am not surprised you would jump to an arbitrary conclusion and then be obnoxious about it.

sorry "sport" if you are prepared to have a civil discussion, then by all means, but it you insist on indulging in idiotic churlish cheap shots, I suggest you find somewhere else to stroke yourself.

 

Palestine was a geographic zone reference and history shows after Masada and the jews went into exile, Jews, Christians, Druze and Arabs/Mulsims all lived in Paletsine but there was never any nation or kingdom and it was roughly where Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan and the West Bank are today.

What we also know is that in 1917, Britain defeated the Ottoman Empire with the valuable assistance of Arab tribal warriors and their leaders and felt indebted to them and while courting them also convinced the League of Nations to award it the mandate to govern the Middle East in exchange for a promise to create a Jewish homeland in what is now both Jordan, Israel and all of the West Bank.

Winston Churchill in his memoirs wrote, and he should know it was his scheme, that Britain ordered him to deliberately play off the League with a promise to appease the Jews with a homeland while at the same time telling the Britains Arab allies they would never allow a Jewish state.

After falsely obtaining the mandate, Britain illegally created the Palestinian jewish free state of Jordan with 85% of the land ear-marked for the Jewish state. In fact the League was calling a meeting to dismantle the state as illegal when World War Two broke out.

That scheme saw Britain place the two sons of Faisal the leading Arab leader as kings of two puppet kingdoms, Jordan and Iraq. The French were arbitrarily carved out two puppet nations, Syria and Lebanon.

In fact Faisal and Jewish Zionist leaders were about two create two side by side states in this area. Israel would have been an unarmed state where Arabs would have continued to travel through it but it would have ressembled a Switzerland like state.

Fearing a Jewish-Arab alliance would displace French-English control both these colonial powers did what they always did-lie. The French lied to Faisal saying not to trust the Jews as they were planning to
later change their mind.

Faisal fell for the lie, ripped up the agreement, and the very next day was arrested and exiled by the French and had his land in Syria taken away from him. But he would be placated by placing his sons in puppet monarchies and later his family was given a third puppet monarchy called Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon are Anglo-French colonial creations designed to have carved up the Middle East in controllable colonies and prevent a Jewish state.

Then the British flooded the area left behind which is now roughly the pre-1967 Israel and the West Bank
with Arab Muslims in an effort to prevent Jews from forming a country.

To this day the UN says, any Arab who claims and we should point out does not need legal proof, to have been descended from an Arab who claims to have lived in pre 1967 Israel or on the West Bank for "two years" prior to 1948 and anyone who comes to the West Bank can refer themselves today as a Palestinian refugee.

For all other refugees they must be themselves displaced from an actual sovereign country they lived in.

Not today's Palestinians. They can be anyone claiming they are a Palestinian or descended from one and in fact the vast majority of people today who call themselves Palestinians are descended from non Palestinian Arabs who in fact displaced Palestinian Arabs in far greater numbers then modern day revisionists claim Jewish Israelis have.

Its a farse. The Arab world even tries to call Arab Israelis Palestinians and Arab Israelis make it clear they are not Palestinian and have so stated. They will not renounce their Israeli citizenship because they have the highest standard of living of any Arab in the Middle East.

The fact is Israel is now the home of people born in Israel just like the West Bank and Gaza is home of people born there.

The past means sweet phack all. Neither people have anywhere to go. Both people need to find a way to live peacefully and the only way that can happen is if we stop pretending only one side has legitimate rights to the land and the other stole the land.

Both sides have equally as valid legal claims. As well people of the three monotheistic religions all have equal historic connections to the area.




The remaining land was then suddenly "Palestine" and after promising the Jews a homeland in their ancestral country, the League of Nations awarded a Mandate to the British which extended over both the western and eastern banks of the Jordan River. It was at this point that the term “Palestine” was revived as a quasi-political entity ruled by a British governor.

While the Jews began to call their newspapers, charities, and organizations such names as the “Palestine Post” and the “United Palestine Appeal,” the Arabs eschewed the term as being “Jewish” and “Zionist.” For them, they were Muslims first, and “Southern Syrians” second. Indeed, many an Arab politician and historian denied that there was ever a country called “Palestine.” To name the amount of Arab political figures and historians who stated this would require an article all by itself. Suffice to say that Arabs such as the late Hashemite monarch Hussein “Chairman” Arafat, and noted Arab historian Philip K. Hitti, have all candidly admitted that no such country as “Palestine” ever existed. In fact, the latter, while appearing in front of a January 11, 1946 Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry in Washington, D.C. stated “[T]here is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not.” The late King Hussein, who knew about artificial entities (i.e., Transjordan – now “Jordan”) said that “[T]he truth is that Jordan is Palestine, and Palestine is Jordan.” He said this on more than one occasion in the 19070s and as late as December 26, 1981 in an interview with the Paris based Arabic newspaper An-Nahar Al Arabi (“The Arabic Daily”). Many other Hashemites (past and present) have made similar statements. Indeed, without the help of Churchill and Britain, there would never have been a “Hashemite entity” on the East Bank of the Jordan created in 1922 and carved out of the original “Palestine Mandate” for the Jewish National Home. And in one of the most candid admissions ever made, Zuhair Muhsin, little known leader of the PLO splinter gang known as “Al Sa’iqa” (The Storm) and backed by Syria, said in a March 31, 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw:

 

Some say its from pre-Roman - biblical "Philistia /-Filistia " don't you agree ? according to the Bible story :

"1 Samuel 27 - David Flees to the Philistines/Filistines""

"And David said in his heart, “Now I shall perish someday by the hand of Saul. There is nothing better for me than that I should speedily escape to the land of the Philistines; and Saul will despair of me, to seek me anymore in any part of Israel. So I shall escape out of his hand.”





Go learn abt Jewish myths .

 

Sorry the bottom of my last thread is a quote from:

http://www.islam-watch.org/index.ph...92:palestine-myth&catid=125:simpson&Itemid=58

It shows where I got one of my quotes from about Palestine by Zuhair Musin in the earlier post I made.

 

Thanks but I do not need to learn about Jewish myths, sounds like you do though.

No the word you refer to is clearly talking about the land of Phillistines. I was trying to show whyt he Greco-Romans started calling the area that.

I do not doubt prior to that Phillistines existed and would have referred to the area probably today which is Syria, Lebanon and Israel as that in their language but the Phillistines land and the land the Greco-Romans referred to as Palestinian is not quite the same.

For that matter the area we call Israel today was probably Canaan.

I do not wish to argue though. Your point is of course taken.

My point is that what names we gave the area in the past are not the same as the term Palestinian used today as a national identity term.


My point is the term Palestine as it is used today was not used the same way prior to 1967 and prior to 1967 it was ageographic reference and it was more often used to describe where Jews came from.

I think we can agree the Arabs who are today Palestinians were clearly not Phillistines.

If that was the case they originate from Crete.

Their claim then would have to go back to that island. I guess that would make them Cretins.

 

The Greek Historian Herodotus called it Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare both mention Palestine. So it was Southern Syria.

The rise of nation states is fairly recent in history.. There were Dutchies, Baronys City States.

I know that Jerusalem is called Al Quds.. Jews, Christians and Muslims were referred to as Palestinians.

As originally published in
The Atlantic Monthly
July 1920

Zionist Aspirations in Palestine

by Anstruther Mackay

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/bookauth/zionism/mackay.htm

 

The Arab identity of Palestine doesn't come from the Islamic conquest, but from the Canaanites who came
into Palestine from the shores of the Arabian Peninsula around 2500
B.C..

They had sovereignty over the land until around 1000 B.C.


That's why Palestine was called the Land of Canaanites, until the Philistines
came from the island of Crete and intermarried with the Canaanites.

Odds are that the Hebrews were also Arabs.

 

Hi Marlowe. The word you refer to is clearly talking about the land of Phillistines. I was trying to show why the Greco-Romans started calling the area Palestine.

I do not doubt prior to that Phillistines existed and would have referred to the area with the name you mentioned and would be part of the land today in Syria, Lebanon and Israel.

For that matter the area we call Israel today was probably Canaan too right?.

Your point is taken and my point is that what names we gave the area in the past are not the same as the term Palestinian used today as a national identity term.

My point is the term Palestine as it is used today was not used the same way prior to 1967 and prior to 1967 it was a geographic reference and it was more often used to describe where Jews came from.

That said I have no issue with people self identifying as Palestinians today no more then I would Jews identifying themselves as Israelis.

For the very same reason I support a Jew's right to a nation I support the Palestinian people's right to another nation on the West Bank.