Palestinian Statehood ( Part 3 )

Indeed see my analogy! (below)..

Irrelevant? No! Rockets launched from the back yards of Palestinians makes the Pals that allow the Hamas monsters to REPEATEDLY use their land as a launch pad are an accessory to terror in any court in the world! ( I do wish you would stop using the incredibly STUPID misnomer “the hated Semites&#8221 it's inaccurate and confusing especially to new members and guests because it applies to everyone in the middle east. And to stop you or moon from reporting me saying you are stupid NO I am saying the comment is past stupid and meaningless.

Onward;

Your comment of Irrelevance shows the extent of how well the Hamas propaganda has worked. Allow me this analogy. I am the innocent Israelis family that the Hamas rockets hit. You are an Palestinian family across the fence we both have large families. Well you get a visit from a Mr Hamas a friend or relative. He goes in the back yard and fires a rocket into my home. I grab my AR or my AK or both and see Mr Hamas loading another rocket with you in the back ground! So I shoot Mr Hamas in his hollow vacuum chamber head with my AR, to my horror the bullet passes through Mr Hamas’s empty head and wounds you or a loved one.

Do I have to go on? Ok I will… The next hour a bunch of your Hamas buds come by all with rockets, this time the buds make your family stand in front of the rocket launchers and a few hide out in the hood, the homes and houses of your Palestinian neighbors! They do nothing or very little to make them leave. Hey I hear the police coming, the Israeli police are better armed than I am too. CAN YOU GUESS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN YOUR HAMAS FRIENDS RELGIVES OR GANGSTERS SHOOT A COP? NEED I GO ON?????

Sheesh! Common sense often fails here so analogies are a required method of education.

Reva

 

I will gladly stop doing so once Israel recognizes and accepts the nation of Palestine instead of endlessly promoting hatred against Semites. You should challenge the problem, not the criticism of such.

You are defending a statement which wrongly accused all Arab babies, children, women and men of being guilty of murder:

As such, you are desperately defending a racist generalization. As such, you are attacking hated Semites with racist hostility. As such, you are honoring anti-Semitism. Regardless of how you choose to understand the anti prefix when attached to nouns, no Semites benefit when hatred is expressed against them or on their behalf. And, all Semites are being harmed with the hatred you are defending.

Such racism.... That's so Israel! Why can't Holocaust abuse Israel oppose racism instead of honoring the practice of such unconditionally?

 

Who are the hated Semites? The Israelis?

I only blamed the so called Pals and Hamas what they take credit for, the Pals are as guilty as Hamas is and would be charged with murder if they committed similar crimes in the USA.

First pressure will not work, Israel and the USA will crush attempts to force Israel to give thieves her land. Israel has favored negotiations. You speak like Israel arbitrarily refuses to negotiate. IT WAS PALESTINIANS THAT TRIED A END RUN AROUND PROTOCOL AND NEGOTIATIONS AND WENT FOR STATEHOOD VIA THE UN, SO IT IS THE PALS THAT DON'T WANT TO NEGOTIATE!!! (Caps for emphasis only). When you add that refusal to negotiate with guilt by association to known admitted terrorists the criminals and instigators of violence are obviously, clearly the Palestinians. Is that so difficult to understand?

The Pals are not a race. Nor is racism evident anywhere but Hamas's STATED genocidal aims to destroy Israel and the Jewish people.

Who is the Semites you speak of? Isreal could be considered Semitic, you should be more specific!

One more time. I am not agreeing with your claims however if Israel wanted to freeze ALL assets and drop ALL foreign investments GUESS WHAT??? ISRAEL IS A SOVEREIGN NATION UNLIKE THE NON PEOPLE NON NATION OF PALESTINE! Its their and Gods country, not yours not the so called Palestinians NOT the UN's NOT the WORLD opinions Nation Israel is NOT the impotent international courts land NO ITS ISREALS to do what she pleases with it. The quicker you and the usual suspects understand that the quicker we can stop wasting our time talking about a non people from a non nation led by a bunch of monstrous terrorists.

reva

 

Well stating such prattle only harms yourself and those that you are trying to communicate with, in fact please use the term even more! It will help my cause here at PF!

No I referenced those Pals that allow Hamas to terrorize Israel. Man you are failing at everything. Additionally, please stop misquoting me use quote tags or stifle.

More prattle how much of that stuff can you fabricate? Again your truly weak, no its worse its terminal a near death experience rebuttal has nothing to do with what I posted. As I said there cant be racism where race does not exist as per the argument, Nor can it occur when the people being victimized does not exist because their nation never existed. To claim otherwise demonstrates a rank ignorance of history and to ignore scholarly authors that claim Palestine was never a true nation. nor a real people

Oh no the reverse Holocaust card! Really, if you would say that on a stage of a professional debate you would either get egged booed of laughed off the circuit, and that would be if so called Palestinians were in the audience.

reva

 

Such depends upon who the individual chooses to hate.

In this case, you showered them with hostility to defend racist remarks.

The hated Semite babies are "thieves"?

The only race is the human race, while your statements are bloated with heavily racist remarks.

The concept of "self-hating" could be relevant, very relevant.

While you were busy blaming and condemning the hated Semites, explain why Israel is eager to destroy the solar and wind power systems in the West Bank?

Israel To Demolish Palestinian Solar Energy Program
Sunday, February 19, 2012

The foreign aid program, thus far successful, has become a new target for Israel as it threatens to demolish the structures that supposedly lie within Israeli 'administration'.
https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/02/16-4


Are your racist remarks against hated Semites really justified while Israel is destroying successful foreign aid programs?

 

The Palestinians have a right to a state as much as the Israelis. Both sides need to recognize this fact.

 

I agree totally... you might even ad another dozen names here and I will second your emotion.

 

Sounds like Israel opposes everyone who does not honor the hatred of Semites.

 

I also find it funny how RevA still debates this topic after he got his arguments refuted and his ass kicked so definitively here: http://www.politicalforum.com/debates-contests/175295-debate-israel-victim-aggressor.html

 

all this "statehood" malarky is just made up. There are no syrian people... there are just arabs and alawites.... there are no Lebanese people, there are just arabs and druze. There are no Palestinian people any more than there are Jordanian people... they were all just bedouin people living under the control of the Ottamans. All of those places and (*)(*)(*)(*)ed near every other nation state in that region were merely the spoils of war remnants of the ottoman empire carved up amongst the European winners. Well... those same European countries, along with others in the UN decided to include a little sliver for Jews. All those arab and muslim "countries" - themselves all artificially created by a similar process - decided that they would not stand for ANY jews getting any party of that territory, so they ALL thumbed their noses at the UN partition plan and theyfought a war against the little Jewish sliver of a country.... AND THEY LOST. AND THEY LOST TERRITORY AS A RESULT OF IT. An they lost MORE territory when they fought in 67 and even more when they fought again in 73. GET OVER IT. All those "palestinian" people pick a state nearby that was also a part of the ottoman empire and go live there. It's all pretty much the same. You LOST your shot at the palestinian state that the UN gave you so it's time to move on.

 

There are no American people, they are just Europeans.

All of your nonsense has already been tackled and refuted here- the search-engine is your friend.

 

Uh huh. Here's your hero, Netanyahu, bragging that he doesn't want peace. Your comments are welcome. http://www.redress.cc/palestine/jcook20100724#trans

 

Absolutely. And no one seems to question the right or America, Canada, Australia, Chili, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela to exist.

 

you're right about Americans... but, unlike the palestinians, we beat the other guys and now we own the place. And what about my statement is wrong, pray tell? There was no Jordan - or transjordan, until europeans drew a line around some sand and called it that. Same with the rest of the middle east. It had been the ottoman empire for a millennium almost.

 

He's got 'god' on his side, remember? Be afraid...

 

Yet many seem to question whether the nation of Palestine exists, and whether they have any right to Palestine.

 

Yet might does not make right.

Of course there was a Jordan; simply because Jordan was not a state some time ago does not mean there was no region or nation referred to as Jordan; the same goes for Syria.

 

The nation of Palestine does not exist and they have no right to Palestine until they either defeat their neighbors and drive them into the sea (their current long term objective) or negotiate with them and agree to live in peace side by side with them (the preferred by far approach of the civilized world).

 

There you have it folks- these are the same individuals who whine about those awful people that deny the right for Israel to exist. Spare us the crocodile tears.

 

They deny the right of Israel to exist but Israel does, it has earned its right to exist with arms in their hands and decades of sacrifices. And Israel has every right to deny a hostile terrorist entity its right to exist as a state until they change their ways, agree to live in peace and recognize Israel's right to exist.

The moral equivalence exists in your mind only.

 

The same can be said about the Palestinians; indeed, they have/had every right to deny a foreign and hostile entity from denying their rights.

 

And deal with the consequences of their denial, instead of starting a fight, having their as$es handed to them and whining to high heaven about their mostly imaginary grievances.

PS that's besides the fact that they are the ones who started this whole cycle of 'denial' when they rejected the Partition and thus Israel's right to exist.

 

Nobody in their right mind would approve of over half of their country being handed to post-war immigrants by a committee of foreigners.

Still, now that you've put it like that, Israel's ' right ' to exist doesn't seem valid.

 

Their country is Trans Jordan, yet they got more and better land than what they owned during the Partition. They have themselves only to blame for their misery.

 

Their only imaginary in your mind and other Zionists infatuated with Israel.

...which any sane nation would have done; indeed, it was very unfair to them.

No, they simply rejected the Partition Plan version of their own state.