Palestinian Statehood ( Part 3 )

WRONG!!!!! My 11th great grandfather was the first to purchase Martha's Vineyyard in 1637. Now, let's do the math, shall we moon. 1737 is 100 years. 1837 is 2 hundred years. 1937 is 3 hundred years. in 25 years it will be 4 hundred years since he bought it. I did the math for you because I know you have problems with it.

Next, the Indians never considered any land ownership. They had their hunting areas and if they needed more they simply took it from those that lived next to theirs. You know, in something called war!!!And how nice were they to those they whipped? Let's count the ways. For the most part they killed the men by torturing them to death to see how brave they were. They made slaves of the women and older children, treating nthem worse than the Southern planters treated their black slaves, most didn't survive more than 5 years. War to the American Indian took on an almost religious aspect. There was no thought of quarter and they didn't know the word, mercy. Mercy was nothing more than weakness to them. The Europeans have been here for more than 500 years.

And moon, your " modern international territorial law "" came into effect in Aug., 1949;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention
The Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, commonly referred to as the Fourth Geneva Convention and abbreviated as GCIV, is one of the four treaties of the Geneva Conventions. It was adopted in August 1949.

After the Arab/Israel war of 1948/9 was OVER and does NOT apply!!!


http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0856666.html
An Israeli advance in Jan., 1949, isolated Egyptian forces and led to a cease-fire (Jan. 7, 1949).

Protracted peace talks resulted in armistice agreements between Israel and Egypt, Syria, and Jordan by July, but no formal peace


Your the one that needs to go back a do a little more reading, so far you have done nothing but make yourself look the fool.

 

Rubbish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Nether are blacks but a lot of them are racist too.

 

All you have pointed out is rubbish. Either debate using facts or keep still.

 

Such, in response to so many hostile chants against Semites, waved under the banner of Israel, is supposed to prove my claim as being wrong? Nope. Even if one once believed that I could be proven as being wrong, I fear that it is already much to late for such. Israel has become heavily racist, as its voices demonstrate, regardless of the following:

Israeli racism scares me
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4189998,00.html

Racism shapes Israel's view of Iran's nuclear programme
http://gulfnews.com/opinions/column...l-s-view-of-iran-s-nuclear-programme-1.979617


Much needs to change if Israel wishes to repair its negative reputation.

 

Ah, ad hominems.... That's so Israel! One needs facts to not harm Israel more, facts which are absent. Attacking messengers with unconditional racist hatred only harms Israel more.

 

Say WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT????????? The American Thunderbirds liberated Dachau;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/45th_Infantry_Division_(United_States)#cite_note-Order183-37

45th Infantry Division

The division crossed the Danube River on 27 April, and liberated 32,000 captives of the Dachau concentration camp on 29 April 1945


So where do you come of with you " fooling gullible American Guilt Complex members""???? First, I have NO feelings of Guilt about anything and nothing but pride in the American Soldier. If you think most of us feel national guilt about anything you have been listening to to many drug smoking liberals.

What you mean is, "there is no evidence of anybody trying to XTERMINATE the Arabs"".


{{{{{"""Israel attempts to demonstrate this concept by attacking Semites with hate-propaganda, justifying the murder of innocent civilians and expanding illegal settlements beyond Israeli borders. """}}}}

Tell your Please loving Arabs to quit lanching attacks from that area and maybe the Israelis will pull their settlements back. But as long as your beloved Arabs fire missils and lanch terrorist raids from the West Bank, they will stay where they are and continue to killing the terrorist. Simple with a simple solution.

 

Prove it wrong, Gomer.

 

{{{{"""Israeli racism scares me"""}}}

Then stay out of Israel.

{{{""Racism shapes Israel's view of Iran's nuclear programme"""}}}

The last time I looked, the Iranians were Persians, not Arabs. Second, since Israel has had the bomb since 1972 and has never used it, what deterrent are they talking about??? Next, when was the last time Israel attacked Iran??? Talk about a straw man.....

 

That's an interesting response to Israel's growing racism problem.

You are correct in pointing out that Israel has become so heavily racist that it hates the Persians too! It seems that anti-Semitism has no limits in being racist.

Contrary to the needs of Israel's anti-Semitism, most Arabs don't attack anyone.

Israel needs to decide if it wishes to abolish apartheid or to continue the practice of such.

Israel and Palestine fire rockets, both sides have the right to defend themselves, and innocent hated Semites are not "terrorists", even when they are murdered.

 

hey judge.... I noticed you dodged my post a while back. Have you ever, actually MET a real live holocaust survivor?

 

Where? I don't read every post. I have never met a Holocaust survivor who blamed and condemned the victims for being murdered. You seem to believe that the victims of crime must be blamed and condemned for being murdered. That's so Israel!

 

That wasn't my question. Have you ever met any holocaust survivors at all?

Have you ever been to Israel?

 

I don't go around asking everybody if they are Holocaust survivors who believe that their loved ones are guilty for being murdered. Only Israel seems to believe that innocent civilians murdered are guilty for the crimes done against them.

Have you been to the Moon?

 

so.... in summation.... you have never met one single holocaust survivor. I have met hundreds. You have never been to Israel. I lived there for two years. Yet... somehow, you seem to think that you can speak for holocaust survivors and that you can speak with any authority whatsoever about what the people of Israel actually think about any subject. Have I got that right?

 

Does this concept mean that, in your view, all Holocaust survivors blame and condemn their loved ones for being murdered by Nazis? I figured that it was the contrary, but you seem to want to argue otherwise. So, can you prove that Holocaust survivors blame and condemn their loved ones for being murdered by Nazis, as your position seems to suggest?

 

No... all the holocaust survivors I ever met blamed nazi germany for what happened to them.... and all of them were fully supportive of the efforts of Begin to rid their land of the British arab sympathizers. You have a very weird view of Israelis, that is for sure... and given the fact that you have never even been there, it ought to cause you to, perhaps, listen a bit more and talk a bit less about a topic you are clearly less than wise about.

maybe you should join some threads about welfare reform, or no child left behind.... it seems you might have more personal experience in those areas, perhaps.

 

This is interesting. So, Holocaust survivors don't blame and condemn their loved ones for being murdered by Nazis. Now, do you have proof that Holocaust survivors blame and condemn innocent British civilians for being murdered by Irgun terrorists, given the memory of the Holocaust?

In the name of the Holocaust, it is sad that you condemn innocent civilians for being murdered while acknowledging that Holocaust survivors don't condemn their loved ones for being murdered by Nazis.

 

I have certain knowledge that holocaust survivors blame british switchboard operators for not passing on the warning that would have prevented the loss of any life when the Irgun destroyed the King David Hotel. The survivors of the unwitting brits who died in that blast ought to blame the switchboard operators as well.

 

Well it does seem awfully strange that if the Nazis were so intent on exterminating the Jews that there would still be so many survivors 66 years after the war. There must have been been a lot of slackers on those kill lines.

Heck, you could make a case that being interred in Nazi concentration camps led to increased longevity for the prisoners.

 

So, in your view Holocaust survivors blame and condemn innocent civilians for being murdered, unless the innocent murdered are their loved ones. That would be some horribly sick double-standard, if it were true. Can you prove that Holocaust survivors blame and condemn the innocent for being murdered, as Israel wants us to believe?

 

when have I ever said that holocaust survivors blame and condemn the innocent for being murdered? Either show me a quote from me that says that or please have the grace to retract that lie.

I'll wait.

 

You wrote here that Holocaust survivors blame and condemn the British for being murdered, rather than condemning Irgun for murdering the innocent:

Why, in your view, do Holocaust survivors honor the murder of the innocent? Explain to me why this Holocaust survivor does not share your view that the innocent must be condemned for being murdered:

After All, I Am A Proper Zionist Jew... I Am A Holocaust Survivor
http://www.rense.com/general88/afterall.htm


Again, do you have proof that Holocaust survivors blame and condemn the innocent for being murdered, as Israel wants us to believe?

 

I did NOT write that holocaust survivors blame and condemn the british for being murdered. I wrote that holocaust survivors rightfully blame the switchboard operator who should have acted to save all the british killed in the King David Hotel but chose not to act.

Quit putting words in my mouth, and I'll quit thinking you are a complete idiot. Well... I'll probably still THINK it because, clearly, you are... but I will stop SAYING it.

 

Such is no different from claiming that Jews must be condemned for being murdered by Nazis since America didn't warn them about the concentration camps, and your argument is that Holocaust survivors condemn the innocent for being murdered, instead of the Irgun who ignited the bomb. Your position basically states that the Nazi murder of Jews was justified and you argue that Holocaust survivors support that position.

You chose to justify the murder of the innocent, and you still haven't proven that Holocaust survivors also justify the murder of their loved ones instead of blaming the Nazis for doing the killing. You would do Holocaust survivors a huge favor by condemning those doing the killings, instead of the innocent who got murdered.

Holocaust survivors are endlessly horrified with your position, and that's a fact.