Palestinian Statehood ( Part 3 )

the switchboard operator was not innocent. that person is the only one being condemned for the deaths at the King David.

 

Such is no different from claiming that the Jews were guilty for being murdered by Nazis. You are eager to insult and condemn the innocent for being murdered, but you have absolutely no interest in opposing Nazis for taking the action which led to the murder.

Why should it matter if Nazis warned Jews or not that they were going to be murdered? Such does not justify the Nazi murder of Jews. Irgun ignited the bomb, murdered the innocent and thus Irgun is guilty of terrorism. Blaming the innocent for being murdered does not justify Nazi crimes.

But, I understand, expatriate. Racism, hatred, murder and anti-Semitism is, well, so Israel!

 

Lady, your attempts at trying to twist another's words are worse than juvenile. Why don't you admit that your antisemitism and be done with it. The holocaust servivors blame the Germans and the Israeli servivors of Arab missile attacks blame Arabs. I already pointed out that when you fire mortars or missiles in a civilian zone you are guilty of violating the 4 Geneva Convention and your fighters are therefore illegal combatants and can be stood up against a wall and shot without a trial.

Are you so ignorant about warfare that you don't know that when a mortar, missile, or shell is fired that it can't be triangulated and a missile or a shell lobed back to where the other was fired from??? So when your beloved terrorist fire of ordanace from a civilian zone do not cry when civilians are taken out.

 

I will insult and condemn someone who is trying to be cute and throw nonsense in the discussion. The King David Hotel bombing took place on July 22, 1946. Tell us the date of the last Arab terrorist attack on Israel.

 

Is the Judge a woman? I made the comment that some of his/her posts sounded not hateful but rather hysterical, well not all that makes sense!

Reva

 

Ah, ad hominems in defense of faulty arguments. That's so Israel!

So, if the Nazis are to blame for the innocent civilians that they murdered, why does Israel blame and condemn innocent civilians for being murdered instead of placing the blame where it correctly belongs? On Irgun? Irgun is the one who planted the bomb and ignited it. Thus, Irgun is to be blamed for murder, not Holocaust victims.

Ah, more personal attacks in defense of Irgun terrorism. That's so Israel!

All terrorists attacks must be condemned regardless of when they occurred and regardless of Israel's need to condemn the innocent murdered. Holocaust victims are not to be blamed for Nazi actions, even though such occurred before July 22, 1946. I'm looking forward to the day where more Israelis will find the strength and courage to oppose the murder of the innocent.

 

{{{"""So, if the Nazis are to blame for the innocent civilians that they murdered, why does Israel blame and condemn innocent civilians for being murdered instead of placing the blame where it correctly belongs? ""}}}

You speak in generalities, start talking specifics. What innocent civilians, where at, at what time. Were there rockets or mortars fired near from where they were?? Were they transporting weapons to be used against Isearl, ect, ect, ect. Give speifics !!! If the U.S. decided to clean out the Mexican drug cartel across the boarder (they keep coming into the U.S. and killing our people) anybody carring a weapon would be shot on sight. They would not have time to stop and ask, "Hey, Mr. Weapons carrier, are you one of the bad guys"""?? If shots were fired from a building there would be a grenade going into that building and anybody in there would be killed by it. Grenades and bullets have no consensus and don't care who or what they hit.

If someone funds the terror attacks against Israel they are just as guilty as those doing the attacking. If you encourage the terrorist, you have a lot of the responsibility for all killed on both sides when the dust settles.


{{{""" On Irgun? Irgun is the one who planted the bomb and ignited it. Thus, Irgun is to be blamed for murder, not Holocaust victims."""}}}

Why are you bring up something that happened 66 years ago??? And it wasn't against the Arabs it was against the British. When was the last time your beloved Arabs gave Israel a 45 minute warning that they were going to fire rockets at a specific place??? And once more, were the British using the King David Hotel as a headquarters??? That's a simple, yes, they were or no they were not. If they were then the King David Hotel was a legitimete military target.



{{{"""All terrorists attacks must be condemned regardless of when they occurred and regardless of Israel's need to condemn the innocent murdered."""}}}


Israel condemns those that participate in the attacks, those that finance the attacks, and those that incourage the attacks and attackers. And that is as it should be. On the other hand you condemn anything that is a legitimete fight and or a retaliatory strike.


{{{""" I'm looking forward to the day where more Israelis will find the strength and courage to oppose the murder of the innocent"""}}}

And I am looking forward to the day that the Arabs love their children more than they hate Jews!!

 

From the way she uses words and strings together phrases I would have to say it's a woman. A man would attack the person on a more personal bases rather than calling people silly offbase names , that's a characteristic of a woman.

 

and this nonsensical "Israel condemning the innocent" weirdness.... I have no idea where that really comes from.

 

It came from the claim that the Irgun is not guilty for murdering the innocent, and a good chunk of Israel seems to admire that perspective. It's unique to hear that you also figure that those who murder the innocent are not guilty for their crimes. Such views free the Nazis from all guilt concerning the Holocaust.

 

Where do you get this crap from ?

The Zionists specialize in attacking civilian areas. They murdered 400 children- along with a thousand other people- in one operation over christmas, 2008/9.

 

You know your full of (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Combatants in civilian areas. Any other nations combatants would avoid being among their own civilian population, in order to not draw fire that may injure their own civilian population. Whereas Palestinians do exactly that in order to draw fire that will likely kill some of their own civilians.

 

when I was stationed in the middle east with the UN, I worked in southern lebanon and lived in northern israel... the palestinians were always lobbing katyushka rockets from lebanon into the northern israeli border cities. I never saw them try to go after an IDF military target. not once.

 

Both sides fire rockets, so why do you only pick on one side?

 

One side lobs rockets at civilians ON PURPOSE, the other side lobs rockets at those lobbing rockets and sometimes hits civilians, AS COLLATORAL DAMAGE IE NOT ON PURPOSE.
See the difference.

 

do you ever read the method of thinking that your writting reveals?

i advise you to start.

Prior to 1948 ,we have to travel back 2500 years in order to find historic Israel .Prior to 1048 the Middle East although turbulent didn't threaten the outbreak of world war 3 any tick of the clock.

Israel isn't a agressor its a total diseased creation of Stalinism and Imperialism in the Theives kitchen called The United Nations.yes joseph stalin was an archietect [sic]of Isreal the chief advocate at the time ,JOSEPH STALIN founding father of Israel ,says it all really ,here on Earth we hope ,that the last vestiges of Stalinism don't survive the Revolutionary Unfolding of history.

Death to the Stalinist inspired Israel .Down with the Bastard state of the UN.

Go to UN or Wiki for the links i personally don't bother with the effort for the Faith thinkin' religious god stupid anymore .

I get it Evidence based thinking is the devils work.When everyone else wakes up you are finished.

 

i could as an old artilleryman with metal machining trade ,make better and more accurate rockets in my backyard ,they were aiming at the military its just the fantastic modern [Katyushka]2kg pyload "rockets dont like being aimed.

Oh do the 155mm Artillery shells that rained down on the Palestinians at the time have accurate aim????????

try to remember to have perspective ?/try it you will like perspective it explains TRUTH!

from memory only 3 israelis and a dog have actually been hit by the high tech terrorist rockets ,slamming down with4lbs of explosive,raining day and night in ceasless terror for 30years ,yes 3 civilians and a Dog.

could we please supply the palestinian fighters with F-16's,Tanks ,artillery,and the most advanced military hardware that money can buy as well as nuclear weapons just like Israel of course.i wish israel would stop with the Terrorising of humanity.

i agree more accurate weapons so that the palestinians even have a chance of hitting military targets good point comrade ,good point.

 

If so, then why does Israel murder more innocent civilians? You almost make it sound as if the intentional murder of innocent civilians is endlessly honorable as far as Israel is concerned.

 

i would be gratefull if i were a Holocaust survivor ,but invading and dispossing another people with the same genocidal zeal as the holocaust ,no Israel has no right to exist sorry 2 wrongs don't make a right.

you have no right to use collective guilt trips in Politics ,we deal with history as it is and on the question of the psychological scar called the holocaust that happened now 70years ago like all things the planet has moved on its just a particularly horrific dispicable and criminal action of a capitialist government run by adolf hitler ,no more or less heinous then Rwanda,Ethnic cleansing in Bosnia or Palestinian ethnic cleansing in Israel for that matter.BTW the first victims of the Holocaust were not jewish ,they were Communists,Social democrats and TradeUnion militants of the German Working Class.

After they were silenced and murdered their Working Class opposition then the Nazi's got to work in earnest.

All crimes against humanity all equally heinous .

I see no differencdes in the politics of the Zionists in the israeli governmet with that of say the Muslim brotherhood ,or Adolf Hitler for that matter.Fascism with different religious labels thats all ,only word form not content.

judge they don't think normally they are faith thinkers and therefore very limited ,retarded even.

 

bingo.

that is precisely the difference.

well said.

 

So, what you are saying is that it is better to murder more civilians than less, given that Israel's excuse for such involves many more innocent being killed.

 

now back to the historic fact that there is a 2500 year gap in the history of Israel.

Jews are not special god chosen they deserve no respect for backward tribal ritual as ,remembering the '[promised land ]' who promised it who promised israel's existance that would be moses about 5000 years ago .

Israel had its time now is not it ,history rolls on.

crickey the promised land crap was when pharoh ruled all or was in only half of egypt.

Catch up Jewish god nutters catch up its the 21st Century AD not BC.

oh thats right and what year is it in the Tora calander ??/No-one cares for your TRIBAL culture excepted mentally retarded Faith thinkers.

 

spoils of war. The Ottomans cast their lot with the germans in WWI and they lost their empire. France and England won it from them. too bad. that is what happens in wars. To the victors go the spoils. And the victors can do any darned thing they want with it.... including giving a small little sliver of it to Jews in palestine. If the palestinians didn't want that to happen, they should have convinced their ottoman landlords to not get involved in a european conflict... alas... they didn't do that, did they? And they didn't accept the partition deal that the UN offered them in 47... a deal that they would JUMP at the chance to take today. too bad. hindsight is 20/20, isn't it?

 

when Israel kills civilians they are collateral damage. when palestinians kill civilians, they are targets. THAT is what I am saying. Can I be any clearer?