Parkland student questioned by school security for visiting gun range

What do you do that makes you observe and be an expert? First of all a charter school is not a religious school.
I would like to hear your credentials. I address thousands of teachers every year...

 

Read carefully. I'll type slowly as you seem to like to create straw men. In the manner that he was questioned his 4th amendment right was violated. There was no reason to take him out of class in front of his peers in an embarrassing and intimidating fashion making him feel unsafe (in his person, part of the 4th amendment), then taken to a room without his parents or a lawyer present making him feel unsafe, and then question him over an innocuous tweet. This could have been handled differently, I've stated this many times, yet you seem to be cool with the authoritarian route rather than the other routes I have suggested in other posts. The government getting involved over his tweet is a violation of his 1st amendment right. He has the right to say and post what he did in that tweet without fear of government intervention. The government intervened (probably causing him to feel he didn't have the right to say and post what he did), did they not? What was so horrible in his tweet that his 1st amendment and 4th amendment rights needed to be suspended?

Straw man. I've never made the claim that being questioned by authorities is a violation of rights. Maybe try re-reading my posts and try again. Hey, if you're cool with the way this went down, that's fine. It just means you agree with the authoritarian tactics that were used. If you disagree with how this went down you do not support the authoritarian tactics that were used. See how that works?

Or, how about this...
If you're cool with the cops coming to your place of business over something harmless you said online, taking you out of your workspace in front of your peers, taking you to a room without a lawyer present, and then questioned about it... it's okay to be cool with that. You're free to like authoritarianism in this country. I don't agree with it, I think it's wrong, it shouldn't be happening in this country, but you have the right to like it and approve of it.

 

How am I wrong? Prove that I am wrong. You're just spouting off your opinions and seem to think that the authorities did nothing wrong at all. Do you agree with how this whole thing went down? Or should it have been handled differently?

You're using opinions and trying to play them off as facts. I'm going to use the Bill of Rights against you.

Here we go.

Ready?

Read slowly and carefully.
Let me ask you this... you say something harmless and innocuous online, some pants on head nervous ninnies feel threatened or have some issue with what you said and call the authorities. Then, the authorities come to your work, take you away from what you're doing in front of your peers, take you to a room without a lawyer present, and proceed to question you without said lawyer present... Are you okay with this scenario? Yes or no? If your answer is "yes", congratulations... you approve of authoritarianism... you just gave Stalin an erection from beyond the grave, and caused our founders to roll over in their graves simultaneously. If your answer is "no", and you think this scenario should either be handled differently or ignored entirely then congratulations... you are a supporter of the Bill of Rights. See how this works?

 

pants on head lunacy.

 

Why does one need to be an expert to make observations and form opinions based on what they have observed? I didn't see anything indicating that he claims these observations to be wide spread, or the norm, or whatever. He's just telling you what he's observed and giving an opinion based on that. Maybe things are different in your area and not like what he's observed.

Today I observed that currently it is raining outside, and it's is a bit cooler than usual. Wait, do I need to be an expert Meteorologist, or maybe an expert Climatologist, before telling someone it's currently raining outside and a bit cooler than usual?

Oh wait. Maybe he's paranoid. That could be it.

To get this topic back on track... what are your thoughts on what happened to Kyle Kashuv?

 

Yes.

I already explained this. Let me try again.

In order to detain someone for what is effectively a "Terry stop", a police officer must have a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.

What is the criminal activity that established a reasonable suspicion in the tweet.

 

Yes because going to the range with your dad and talking about the 2A is basically a death threat.

 

No going to a range within weeks of them picking up body parts and clearing up body fluids of your fellow students and posting about enjoying yourself is damn strange for anyone with anywhere near normal emotions and feelings.

The kid is unlikely to be dangerous but he is far far far from normal and given that he had access to firearms for the school security to wish to talk to him to get a feeling about him is not uncalled for.

 

I know you won’t see this but others will.

Within weeks? It had been over two months since the mass shooting at the school. Kyle and his father went shooting the weekend of April 20th, 2018. The school shooting took place February 14th, 2018. This may be strange behavior to you, but it isn’t to everyone. Your assertions of strange behavior should not dictate what is and isn’t strange behavior. Attempting to psychoanalise this kid via the internet is a weak attempt at an appeal to emotions.

What makes him far far far from normal? Just because you don’t like how he spends his time isn’t grounds for the type of authoritarian tactics that took place. So, should the cops be able to show up to anyone’s place of business, take them away from their work area, place them in a room without a lawyer present, and then question them simply because they have access to firearms? If you believe that is okay then you are one scary authoritarian loving individual.

 

When one forms an opinion about such a huge issue it is called an overgeneralizion. It would be like ,someone observing a poor black area and generalizing about black People.

 

I don’t think he was doing that. He was just stating what he has observed in his area. At least to me that’s what it seemed like he was doing. I could be wrong.

 

So using a gun for lawful purposes is associated with mass murder. Sorry, but no, it's not.

You do keep reinforcing how you really feel about the issue though, and it certainly explains the other people here that are supporting detaining someone for no wrong doing.

Far from normal? What is that supposed to mean?

 

Then I guess some form of law suit is being pursued by the family.

 

So you can't or don't want to answer the question?

I would. He was detained unlawfully.

Maybe he can join Anthony Borges and Kyle Laman's lawsuit against Broward county.

 

Doesn’t appear that he can. He’s dodged two of my posts and couldn’t prove me wrong as he claimed I was. He seems to be cool with authoritarianism.

As would I.

 

Are you saying that making drugs illegal has been constructive? The huge international criminal enterprise of drug dealing says that's not true.

It hasn't been constructive in Australia, where there is a burgeoning black market for firearms.

It hasn't been constructive in the UK, where they're now talking about implementing "knife control" laws.

Oh, and the AR15 isn't any more "deadly" than a shotgun or a handgun when used against defenseless targets.

 

Then perhaps it can be explained by yourself, precisely how much time is appropriate after a mass shooting occurs, before someone considers going to a shooting range once again. If more than two months is considered insufficient time, then how long is considered to be appropriate?

 

What’s quitting?

What does crack cocaine have to do with any of this? Are you attempting to build a straw man? I’ll bite I guess...

So, how’s that war on drugs going? Thousands of people are still able to make crack cocaine and sell it on the streets of the US easily enough. It's also the cause of a good chunk of the gun violence in this country that seems to be dismissed for some bizarre reason. Not to mention how the gangs are flourishing with the black market created by making something harder to get. Does it seem that making crack cocaine harder to get is constructive to you? We could take the money that is being wasted on the war on drugs and use it to fund drug rehab centers and fund programs to help people rather than punish them. I'm not saying we should legalize crack, but did see how easily I just destroyed that argument?

Making something harder to get isn’t always constructive. Would you say the 18th amendment was constructive? It had to be repealed years later. Yet alcohol causes more deaths than guns every year hands down. If anti gun people were consistent in their arguments of wanting to prevent deaths they'd be going after alcohol, but they aren't. Why is that? Is it because those deaths don't matter and only gun deaths do? I've never been able to figure that one out.

I could go on, but I think I've made my point clear enough on that. Next up! The scary AR-15... whoooo... scary...

What is it that makes the AR-15 (the gun that is used less in the majority of gun crimes) more deadly than any other gun currently on the market? Why would that be a good thing to make it more difficult to get? Wouldn't the good thing be to go after the guns that are used in the majority of gun crimes (handguns)? Why aren't the anti gun people going after those and seem to be focussing on the AR-15? Or are those next on the list?

 

Ok let’s make. CRack cocaine cheaper...let’s make it legal and easier to get. Same with military assault weapons, Let’s just assume we have different values and different priorities

 

Where am I saying any of this?

You build that straw man! You tell it who's boss!

Why not even try to defend your position? You give up too easily.

Sure, okay. No problem.

 

I answered every question. Until you guys kept repeating yourself beating a dead horse. If you want the answer go find it, I stated it a few times.
If it was unlawful, there'd be suit forthcoming.

 

So funny, right after you defended him, he made our point. You asked where he said all liberals think gun owners are criminals..then He said that all liberals think people in the NRA are murderers,

 

Are you not aware of the "child murderer" comment?

 

I'll give you that one. Not bad. As to the topic of this thread though are you okay with what happened to Kyle Kashuv? You never did say and I'm curious as to why.

 

C'mon, vman. You're better than this. Don't give these clowns ammo.