Part 34 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

dairyair · Mar 7, 2016

Beast Mode said: ↑

Ouch. That's cold, bruh.
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One could always go back to earlier threads of this where the topic for a long time was how all the children, babies, and fetuses were cannibalized before noah's flood. So none were killed in the flood.
Those are the kind of answers to expect.

WanRen · Mar 11, 2016

Spooky said: ↑

If God is perfect why does he need humans?

Obviously he is lacking companionship or something else which means he has desires and desire is a flaw.
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That is how perfect God is He gave us all a chance to life a chance to enjoy and experience life, love, joy, and creation.
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all[a] the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.

WanRen · Mar 11, 2016

cupid dave said: ↑

My question is whether Christians can recognize that Jesus duplicated the experience of Elijah who came in 800 BC, and whether that means Jesus was the suffering messiah indwell by the holy ghost?

Christ did the same exact things as had Elijah, but 800 years later:

1) Both Elijah and Christ raised the dead:

1 Kings 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

2) Both Elijah, who never dies, and Christ were immortal:

2 Kings 2:1 And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal

John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

3) Both Elijah and Christ ascended into Heaven before witnesses:

2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
12 And Elisha saw it,

Luke 24:.51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven

4) Both Elijah and Christ troubled Israel:

1 Kings 18:17 And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel?

Matthew 2:3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

5) Both Elijah and Christ were threatened by the authorities with death:

1 Kings 19:14.. And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only am left; and they seek my life, to take it away

John 11:53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death

6) Both Elijah and Christ.... were hunted by the Jewish authorities:

1 Kings 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away

Then said some of them of Jerusalem, Is not this he, whom they seek to kill?

7) Both Elijah and Christ.... hid in a cave/tomb:

1 Kings 19:9 And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?

Luke 2:14 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.

Both Elijah and Christ pondered in the wilderness 40 days and forty nights:....

1 Kings 19:8 And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of God

Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

9) Both Elijah and Christ. walked on across the water

2 Kings 2:8.. And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground

Matthew 14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea\

10) Both Elijah and Christ let a person follow them across the water:

2 Kings 2:14.. And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the LORD God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over

Matthew 14:29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water to go to Jesus.

11) Both Elijah and Christ.... wrote only one thing, a letter, to people on Earth AFTER they had ascended:

2 Chronicles 21:12 And there came a writing to him from ..Elijah.. the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah,\

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

12) Both Elijah and Christ appointed a successor, Elisha, by Elijah, and Peter, by Christ:

2 Kings 2:9.. And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And ..Elisha.. said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me
Matthew 16:18.. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this .rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

13) Both Elijah and Christ gave a successor the power to raise the dead:

2 Kings 8:5.. And it came to pass, as he was telling the king how he had restored a dead body to life, that, behold, the woman, whose son he had restored to life, cried to the king for her house and for her land. And Gehazi said, My lord, O king, this is the woman, and this is her son, whom ..Elisha.. restored to life.

Acts 9:40 But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and prayed.; and turning him to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up.

14) Both Elijah and Christ gave a successor the power to heal:

2 Kings 5:10.. And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean

Acts 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk

15) Both Elijah and Christ gave a successor a symbolic authority, the cloak to one, the keys to the other:

1 Kings 19:19.. So he departed thence, and found Elisha the son of Shaphat, who was plowing with twelve yoke of oxen before him, and he with the twelfth: and Elijah passed by him, and cast his mantle upon him.

Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven

16) Both Elijah and Christ asked that the this "cup" be taken from them:

1Kings 19:4 .But he himself went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a juniper tree: and he requested for himself that he might die (because he was afraid of what was coming from Jezebel: [1Kings 19:3]), and said, "It is enough (they seek my life, to take it away: [1Kings 19:10]); now, O LORD, take away my life; for I am not better than my fathers."

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, (because he began to show grief and distress of mind and was deeply depressed: [Matt 26:37]), let this cup pass from me (It is enough: [1Kings 19:4]): nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

17) Both Elijah and Christ had miraculous births:

Jewish Encyclopedia:
Three different theories regarding Elijah's origin are presented in the Haggadah: Mention must be made of a statement which, though found only in the later cabalistic literature (Yal?u? Reubeni, Bere(*)(*)(*)(*), 9a, ed. Amsterdam), seems nevertheless to be very old (see Epiphanius, l.c.), and according to which Elijah was an angel in human form, so that he had neither parents nor offspring.
See also Melchizedek.

Matthew1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

1 Both Elijah and Christ destroyed pagan worshippers and priests. Elijah destroyed the priests of Baal; Christ, the Pantheon of Rome, 380AD:

IKi 18:40 And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.

History: Universal Christianity in 380AD:
Revelation 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.
They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years (32AD -1054AD)\

19) Both Elijah and Christ were promised faithfulness three times, Elisha in the former and Peter, in the latter.\

2 Kings 2:2.. I will not leave thee. So they went down to Bethel
2 Kings 2:4.. I will not leave thee. So they came to Jericho
2 Kings 2:6.. I will not leave thee. And they two went on

John 21:17.. He saith unto him the third time,... "Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, "Lovest thou me?"

20) Both Elijah and Christ. condemned a Jezebel:

2 Kings 9:36 Wherefore they came again, and told him. And he said, This is the word of the LORD, which he spake by his servant Elijah the Tishbite, saying, In the portion of Jezreel shall dogs eat the flesh of Jezebel:

Rev 2:20 ..Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds...

21) Both Elijah and Christ re-dedicated the Israelite people to God by raising up a new altar or temple:

1 Ki 18:30 And ..Elijah.. said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down. And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up.

22) Both Elijah and Christ chose one man upon which to build his following:

2 Kings 2:15 And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and ..upon.. this ..rock.. I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

23) Both Elijah and Christ were subject of a three day 'search' for their presence:

2 Kings 2:1 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send.
They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.

Luke 2:46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
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Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ and Elijah is Elijah. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, Elijah is not. Both are essential individuals of Christianity.

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tecoyah said: ↑

Okay...how about this one:

Considering there is absolutely no physical evidence to indicate ANY "God" exists, and that the one you are supporting in one of thousands believed in by billions of humans. What explanation will you provided for everyone here that you are correct in your belief?
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The problem is that there is historical physical evidence that God exist that is Jesus Christ.

tecoyah · Mar 11, 2016

WanRen said: ↑

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The problem is that there is historical physical evidence that God exist that is Jesus Christ.
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I take it this "Evidence" you speak of is a 2000 yr. old book known to have been revised, edited, and copied over and over again from an older version created from copies of even older books that never mention the name Jesus. Uh....yeah....powerful evidence.

KAMALAYKA · Mar 11, 2016

anomaly said: ↑

Not true! I asked you some time ago in one of these threads of yours a question and you never did give me an answer.

So I'll ask it again...

Isaiah 55:12King James Version (KJV)

12 For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.

Were these palm trees?
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Nah, those are just the clapping trees. I have a few in my yard.

KAMALAYKA · Mar 11, 2016

Dear OP:

If the Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't real, then why is EVERY SINGLE PLANET shaped like a meatball?!

IF he wasn't real, then surely there's no reason for planets to imitate the appendage of a nonexistent entity.

WanRen · Mar 11, 2016

tecoyah said: ↑

I take it this "Evidence" you speak of is a 2000 yr. old book known to have been revised, edited, and copied over and over again from an older version created from copies of even older books that never mention the name Jesus. Uh....yeah....powerful evidence.
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Jesus Christ is the physical evidence without Jesus Christ no Christianity only atheist created religion.

Abraham Lincoln: In regard to this Great Book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Savior gave to the world was communicated through this book. But for it we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man's welfare, here and hereafter, are to be found portrayed in it.

WanRen · Mar 11, 2016

KAMALAYKA said: ↑

Dear OP:

If the Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't real, then why is EVERY SINGLE PLANET shaped like a meatball?!

IF he wasn't real, then surely there's no reason for planets to imitate the appendage of a nonexistent entity.
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Flying spaghetti monsters is what many atheist believe in, in fact they believe the universe came from no where likely from a flying spaghetti that somehow morphed into planets, birds, fish and humans.

The reality and truth is there is no such thing as flying spaghetti monster that is only a fiction created by atheist that is meant for entertainment only. God on the other hand is real the origin of the universe and life started with and by God and science agrees on this. Einstein said it best I want to know how God created this world. I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details.

tecoyah · Mar 11, 2016

WanRen said: ↑

Jesus Christ is the physical evidence without Jesus Christ no Christianity only atheist created religion.

Abraham Lincoln: In regard to this Great Book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Savior gave to the world was communicated through this book. But for it we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man's welfare, here and hereafter, are to be found portrayed in it.
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Okay....then please provide the "Physical Evidence" of this Jesus fellow. Something more tangible than the old books I mentioned.

Perhaps an old shoe, or even a smidgeon of his hair on a stick......maybe a piece of clothing or a broken down house.

Until you can provide something...ANYTHING...he is a fabricated myth dwelling in your mind.

WanRen · Mar 11, 2016

tecoyah said: ↑

Okay....then please provide the "Physical Evidence" of this Jesus fellow. Something more tangible than the old books I mentioned.

Perhaps an old shoe, or even a smidgeon of his hair on a stick......maybe a piece of clothing or a broken down house.

Until you can provide something...ANYTHING...he is a fabricated myth dwelling in your mind.
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Jesus Christ and Christian historical facts will always be for atheist a myth no amount of facts not from scientist or historians will ever make them accept the reality they'll always make up their own distorted and mythical stories this is why atheist are not taken seriously and many one atheist will become agnostics.

Einstein said it best I want to know how God created this world. I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details. One of the greatest physical evidence is the universe.
Another great physical evidence is Jesus Christ his legacy, his persecution, his crucifixion, the people he touched and people who witness him including the Pharisees who were part of the first hand witness to Jesus Christ the very reason why they had Jesus crucified the evidences of the actual events that is now part of historical records, the tomb were Jesus was buried, the archaeological discoveries of the nails and sites.

Remember we are not here to try to convince you but we are here to share with you the truth and facts.

trevorw2539 · Mar 11, 2016

WanRen said: ↑

Jesus Christ and Christian historical facts will always be for atheist a myth no amount of facts not from scientist or historians will ever make them accept the reality they'll always make up their own distorted and mythical stories this is why atheist are not taken seriously and many one atheist will become agnostics.

Einstein said it best I want to know how God created this world. I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details. One of the greatest physical evidence is the universe.
Another great physical evidence is Jesus Christ his legacy, his persecution, his crucifixion, the people he touched and people who witness him including the Pharisees who were part of the first hand witness to Jesus Christ the very reason why they had Jesus crucified the evidences of the actual events that is now part of historical records, the tomb were Jesus was buried, the archaeological discoveries of the nails and sites.

Remember we are not here to try to convince you but we are here to share with you the truth and facts.
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Good. When are you going to start.

WanRen · Mar 11, 2016

trevorw2539 said: ↑

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Good. When are you going to start.
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I have started to accept ever since learning the facts and history of Christianity back in 1970 and I have noticed that atheist have failed to convince the world other wise because atheist just could not provide any evidences to disprove Jesus Christ.

Margot2 · Mar 11, 2016

WanRen said: ↑

Jesus Christ is the physical evidence without Jesus Christ no Christianity only atheist created religion.

Abraham Lincoln: In regard to this Great Book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Savior gave to the world was communicated through this book. But for it we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man's welfare, here and hereafter, are to be found portrayed in it.
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Do you consider Judaism to be an "atheist created religion"?

trevorw2539 · Mar 11, 2016

WanRen said: ↑

I have started to accept ever since learning the facts and history of Christianity back in 1970 and I have noticed that atheist have failed to convince the world other wise because atheist just could not provide any evidences to disprove Jesus Christ.
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Unfortunately we, the posters on here, have not yet seen your facts. No-one has yet proved Jesus, the Christ, ever existed. You certainly haven't. All you have learned is other peoples beliefs, and accepted them as yours.

tecoyah · Mar 11, 2016

WanRen said: ↑

Jesus Christ and Christian historical facts will always be for atheist a myth no amount of facts not from scientist or historians will ever make them accept the reality they'll always make up their own distorted and mythical stories this is why atheist are not taken seriously and many one atheist will become agnostics.

Einstein said it best I want to know how God created this world. I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details. One of the greatest physical evidence is the universe.
Another great physical evidence is Jesus Christ his legacy, his persecution, his crucifixion, the people he touched and people who witness him including the Pharisees who were part of the first hand witness to Jesus Christ the very reason why they had Jesus crucified the evidences of the actual events that is now part of historical records, the tomb were Jesus was buried, the archaeological discoveries of the nails and sites.

Remember we are not here to try to convince you but we are here to share with you the truth and facts.
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I see....so as expected, you got nothin'.

WanRen · Mar 11, 2016

Margot2 said: ↑

Do you consider Judaism to be an "atheist created religion"?
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Yes, after Judaism rejected the truth and tried to destroy all evidences starting with Christ crucifixion it has become a religion created by atheist.
Jesus reprimanded the Pharisees and religious leaders for making it their religion.

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trevorw2539 said: ↑

Unfortunately we, the posters on here, have not yet seen your facts. No-one has yet proved Jesus, the Christ, ever existed. You certainly haven't. All you have learned is other peoples beliefs, and accepted them as yours.
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Majority of posters here understand that atheist are full of fiction, myth and distortion that is why history and science do not agree with them atheist had to create their own history.

dairyair · Mar 11, 2016

WanRen said: ↑

Yes, after Judaism rejected the truth and tried to destroy all evidences starting with Christ crucifixion it has become a religion created by atheist.
Jesus reprimanded the Pharisees and religious leaders for making it their religion.

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Majority of posters here understand that atheist are full of fiction, myth and distortion that is why history and science do not agree with them atheist had to create their own history.
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Every poster here understands one who make stuff up like world wide cannibalism of all children, babies, and fetuses is truly distorted.

WanRen · Mar 11, 2016

dairyair said: ↑

Every poster here understands one who make stuff up like world wide cannibalism of all children, babies, and fetuses is truly distorted.
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Every posters here atheist, agnostics and Christians understand that cannibalism is and was real it was part of human history that existed during Noah's time it existed in ancient Africa, America, Asia, Europe, Middle East, Mesopotamia and thereafter. It is delusional to think that it is not real.

KAMALAYKA · Mar 12, 2016

Um, so where's the proof of Jesus?

trevorw2539 · Mar 12, 2016

WanRen said: ↑

Yes, after Judaism rejected the truth and tried to destroy all evidences starting with Christ crucifixion it has become a religion created by atheist.
Jesus reprimanded the Pharisees and religious leaders for making it their religion.

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Majority of posters here understand that atheist are full of fiction, myth and distortion that is why history and science do not agree with them atheist had to create their own history.
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If you understood what you have just posted you have condemned Christianity to an atheistic religion. LOL

WanRen · Mar 12, 2016

KAMALAYKA said: ↑

Um, so where's the proof of Jesus?
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Proof of Jesus Christ in Bethlehem, Nazareth, Jerusalem, the Catholic Church, the Encyclopedia the Holy Bible.

So, do you have any proof to present that Jesus Christ is not real?

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If you understood what you have just posted you have condemned Christianity to an atheistic religion. LOL
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Atheist and atheist created religion have always and is still condemning Christianity for sharing and revealing the truth that atheist got it all wrong.

Margot2 · Mar 12, 2016

WanRen said: ↑

Proof of Jesus Christ in Bethlehem, Nazareth, Jerusalem, the Catholic Church, the Encyclopedia the Holy Bible.

So, do you have any proof to present that Jesus Christ is not real?

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Atheist and atheist created religion have always and is still condemning Christianity for sharing and revealing the truth that atheist got it all wrong.
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There is no proof of Jesus in Bethlehem, Nazareth or Jerusalem.. I've been there.

KAMALAYKA · Mar 12, 2016

WanRen said: ↑

So, do you have any proof to present that Jesus Christ is not real?
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I do. It's the same proof you have that Zeus isn't real.

trevorw2539 · Mar 12, 2016

WanRen said: ↑

Proof of Jesus Christ in Bethlehem, Nazareth, Jerusalem, the Catholic Church, the Encyclopedia the Holy Bible.

So, do you have any proof to present that Jesus Christ is not real?

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Atheist and atheist created religion have always and is still condemning Christianity for sharing and revealing the truth that atheist got it all wrong.
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But Christianity stems from Judaism, so Christianity must be an atheist religion. You're out of your depth.

Margot2 · Mar 12, 2016

trevorw2539 said: ↑

But Christianity stems from Judaism, so Christianity must be an atheist religion. You're out of your depth.
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Take a look at this website.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/08/26/40-problems-with-christianity/

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