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  1. hellofromwarsaw

    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    Actually the usual corrupt GOP world depression brought the chaos that brought rise of militaristic and authoritarian regimes with Hitler promising jobs jobs jobs. we see the same in some places after the 2008 world depression and the refugees from sub-Saharan Africa Central America and of course our GOP middle East refugees in Europe. Without a depression this stuff doesn't happen. Here we have a fake immigration crisis. Only GOP propaganda makes it possible here. All the refugees the GOP cause around the world are in Europe while we took 10000 or something. Great job.
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    more like the Republicans destroying the league of Nations and the Versailles treaty and causing another corrupt world depression. no sacrifice is too great to get Republicans elected so they can screw up the economy with a gigantic corrupt bubble and bust.
     
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    The easy way to answer is that german people saw someone that is having vision . They were desperate, defeated, unconfidant and hitler was someone who gave them hope. He made a truly mighty country out of that ruined germany. And germany got to literally the top position in the world .
    But my question is why antisemitism?
    What did the jews really do that we are unaware of?
    What was hitler's logic on this?
    How did the Kristalnacht came to happen?
     
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    The white nationalists were not "lead" by Trump. Trump is what they wanted. They loved that someone was saying what they all wanted said. He spoke for them. He was on their side. Trump did not "lead" the white nationalists as much as he reflected them.

    At least at first. After that, it was too late.


    History is REPEATING itself when it comes to white nationalist bigotry!

    FTR the above does NOT meet the definition of mischaracterization since the original quote was not altered. It was merely used to contrast and compare given that BOTH of them were/are primarily supported by white nationalists.
     
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    That is about the Trump core, 37%.
     
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    For example, either it's ok for social media companies to purge conservative content, or it's not ok to censor kaepernick.
     
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    It is hard to say exactly why things happened as they did, as we really don’t have lots of data. But the thing is, people have been following people like Hitler for as far back as before history began to be recorded. A strong leader with a faithful following seems to be a natural urge for a lot of people. We just know Hitler because he was the latest one to cause a lot of trouble. Napoleon came before him, Charlemagne, some of the Caesars before that, Alexander the Great, Atilla the Hun, Genghis Kahn

    Nowadays we have better tools, better science too. It can even be tracked as things are absorbed into the brain. Studies have shown, that with very little effort, most people can be led to believe things they know not to be true, with a little persuasion from an authority figure, or from peer pressure.

    It may be that people aren’t as independent as they think they are. That they need that strong arm guidance from the top.
     
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    Out of curiosity...is there anything that is bad that the GOP ISN'T responsible for in your world?
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    What tactics are those please? Lol OMG arrrggghhh
     
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    So what happened when Black Panthers started carrying rifles backing Reagan California?
     
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    Try arguing the points I make not some b******* straw man argument thank you. You people don't even know the GOP caused the 2008 world depression and 10 trillion dollars in debt in the United States, approximately the same in the EU, all to avert a full-blown selling apples on the corner great depression. And that causes all kinds of unemployment refugees and right wing reaction. And in the last 100 years, not really in the big picture, the GOP has wrecked everything. And much worse under the propaganda, give away to the rich screw everyone else regime since 1986. They definitely wrecked the league of Nations and the Versailles treaty and killed Wilson. Great job and caused the 1929 world depression and the 2008 world depression.
     
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    I'm sure Venezuela's problems have nothing to do with overwhelming sanctions that make it impossible for them to sell their oil for crying out loud! What about a bright orange hitleresque figure wrapped in the flag and the Bible with a huge propaganda machine? All he had to do to take over the GOP was parrot the garbage hate propaganda.
     
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    I'm sure Republicans had nothing to do with the SandL crisis of 1988 LOL. Every time they get eight years they wreck the world. Eisenhower was a independent with no business competition in the world.
     
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    From what I've found so far, they needed someone for the masses to blame. "Nazis took advantage of German’s fears of a far left or communist government take-over, as well as exploiting long existing and underlying prejudices by scapegoating a minority, the Jews, as being responsible for all their woes."
    Jews were wealthy. Convince people Jews are criminals and Nazis now have authority to take from them
     
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    So...the answer to my question is "no". Got it.
     
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    The GOP hasn’t done anything for the people since Teddy Roosevelt left office. They have been the biggest drag on our country. Whenever Republicans gain power, we take two a step down and two steps backwards.
     
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    And I have a masters in history and I am correct. Only the GOP propaganda machine makes this mess possible. Totally out of control now. Thank God for the Constitution
     
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    And mainly he promised jobs jobs jobs and delivered even if it was a scam. Still as I said he never got more than 35% or so of the vote and was appointed by Hindenburg as Chancellor. Big mistake. Then he made himself dictator after the reichstag fire.
     
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    Only the GOP imaginary planet of garbage propaganda makes this possible now. Totally out of control give away to the rich.
     
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    Get your money back.
     
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    Do you have any argument at all? Otherwise
     
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    You are in the great minority in your outlook. Too many guns around thanks to the NRA GOP which will sell out to anyone anytime lol. And the propaganda machine rolls on
     
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    Actually Germany was doing pretty well until the GOP great depression. He promised jobs jobs jobs and he delivered even if it was a scam.
     
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    Not sure how you can get part of it so right and part of it so wrong...

    The NRA is known for compromise. It has historically mediated between pro and anti gun to minimize new restrictions. A tactic that would eventually lead to the effective anullment of the 2A by 'slow death by a thousand slices'. Its comical how the anti-gun always saw them as an enemy when they were really an unwitting ally. For proof, just look at whats happening in VA and WA since the NRA has had its credit financing essentially killed, making it a virtual non-entity. Now, instead of mediating down 90% of the gun laws and convincing 2Aers to swallow the other 10%, the tiny blue urban centers are passing everything they can think of while the massive rural areas just refuse to recognize or enforce any of it. A far better result imo.

    The GOP have been until recent years, and still to a large degree are neocon RINOs, establishment shills that pandor to willfully politically ignorant conservatives that vote for any 'R'. They want the establishment to have a power monopoly as much as the progs do, if for different reasons. On the surface, you're correct: they sell out to the highest bidder. But thats because the highest bidders tend to be international elitists that also support the power monopoly of the state, because they hold the financial reigns for the institutions of that authority, and civilian gun ownership undermines the power monopoly of those institutions.

    Its possible I am in the minority. Polls seem to indicate it, but those polls keep turning out wrong of late. Regardless, the right to self defense was always, in large part, meant to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. Thats what a republic is, what the US is: a limited democracy where even the minority has some authority. If im in the minority, at least Im in the minority that has the ability to prevent the majority from ruling it, hopefully with respect for common law, but with arms if necessary.
     
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    I'm guessing you'd be up against an opponent that could reduce you and your whole arsenal to scrap in a manner of seconds.
    If not for that fact I might sign on to your quest.
     

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