Prevent another Holocaust?

i don't want my people to go extinct.

sue me

 

"...thinking to myself how would we ever prevent such a thing happening to the Jews again."

Then who is "we" and if the Jews are "you're people" why would you say "to the Jews..."?

 

are we going to argue semantics?

 

No, actually we're now arguing if you were deceptive and dishonest in your post.

 

pretty paranoid for your to assume such a thing.

 

Actually SHOAH is a Hebrew word not Yiddish. The uniqueness of the shoah was that Hitler meant to make Judaism a museum religion. He didn't mean to do that with all poles, Roma, etc. As for the inclusion of others in the American holocaust museum in Washington it was Jews who insured they were included.

 

Are you saying there was a time when it was to be all Jewish all the time?

 

I told you that there were estimates for the individual death camps, it was a pain in the ass Copy Pasting each paragraph from the independent articles and their links, next time try a cursory google search.

 

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The Women's Orchestra of Auschwitz, or the Girls' Orchestra of Auschwitz, was a female orchestra at Auschwitz concentration camp, which was created in June 1943 by a Polish music teacher, Mrs. Zofia Czajkowska, by order of the SS. The members were young female prisoners, whose membership in the orchestra protected them from being gassed in the gas chamber, or from being worked to death. Czajkowska was eventually replaced as conductor by Alma Rosé, the daughter of Gustav Mahler's sister Justine and of Arnold Rosé. Rosé had been the conductor of a women's orchestra in her hometown of Vienna.

The orchestra played at the gate when the work gangs went out, and when they returned. During the final stages of the Holocaust, when the mass deportations of Jews from Eastern Europe occurred and large numbers of Jews were sent directly to the gas chambers, the orchestra played in order to put the minds of the victims at ease. The music preserved the illusion that the Jews were being transported "to the East", and allowed the SS to kill more efficiently. Fania Fénelon denies, in her book, the claim that the orchestra had to play certain specific selections, and calls this a myth; however, she recorded concerts for the SS, and reported that Maria Mandel was particularly fond of her rendition of Madame Butterfly.

On 1 November 1944 the women's orchestra were force-marched to Bergen-Belsen where was neither orchestra nor special privileges.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_Orchestra_of_Auschwitz

The theater was at Buchenwald which was not an extermination camps.

Likewise the football games being mentioned were not at Auschwitz or any other extermination camp it was at Theresienstadt and the footage used was straight from a Nazi propaganda film, so you have quite literally just posted Nazi propaganda, truly disgusting, Theresienstadt was the ghetto/concentration camp that was used to trick the international red cross and following that propaganda success to shoot a Nazi propaganda film, after which the majority of Theresienstadt prisoners were sent off to Auschwitz ii to be killed:

Late in the war (following D-Day and the Invasion of Normandy), on June 23, 1944, the Nazis permitted a visit by representatives from the Danish Red Cross and the International Red Cross in order to dispel rumors about the extermination camps. The commission included E. Juel-Henningsen, the head physician at the Danish Ministry of Health, and Franz Hvass, the top civil servant at the Danish Foreign Ministry. Dr. Paul Eppstein was instructed by the SS to appear in the role of the mayor of Theresienstadt.[29]

They had prepared for weeks for the visit. The area was cleaned up and, to minimize the appearance of overcrowding in Theresienstadt, the Nazis deported many Jews to Auschwitz. Also deported in these actions were most of the Czechoslovakian workers assigned to 'Operation Embellishment.' The Nazis directed the building of fake shops and cafés to imply that the Jews lived in relative comfort.

The Danes whom the Red Cross visited lived in freshly painted rooms, not more than three in a room. Rooms viewed could possibly have included the homes of the "prominent" Jews of Theresienstadt, who were afforded special privileges whereby as little as two people shared a single room.[16] The guests attended a performance of a children's opera, Brundibar, which was written by inmate Hans Krása.

The Red Cross representatives were conducted on a tour following a pre-determined path designated by a "red line" on a map. The Red Cross apparently did not try to divert from the "official" tour route as led by the Germans, who also posed questions to the Jewish residents along the way. If the Red Cross asked residents questions directly, they were ignored and not answered (as instructed by the Germans previously). Despite this, the Red Cross apparently formed a positive impression of the town.[16]

Following the successful usage of Theresienstadt as a model for the Red Cross visit, the Nazis decided to make a propaganda film there. Production of the film began on February 26, 1944[citation needed]. It was directed by Jewish prisoner Kurt Gerron, an experienced director and actor. (He appeared with Marlene Dietrich in The Blue Angel.) The film was intended to show how well the Jews were living under the "benevolent" protection of the Third Reich. Shooting took 11 days, starting September 1, 1944.[30]

If taken at face value, the film documents the Jews of Theresienstadt living a relatively comfortable existence within a thriving cultural centre, and functioning successfully during the hardships of World War II. They had to comply and perform according to Nazi orders. After the film was completed, most of the cast and the director were deported to Auschwitz. Gerron was murdered by gas chamber on October 18, 1944.[31] The film was not released at the time, but was edited into pieces; only segments have remained.

Often called The Führer Gives a Village to the Jews, the correct name of the film is: Theresienstadt. Ein Dokumentarfilm aus dem jüdischen Siedlungsgebiet (Terezin: A Documentary Film of the Jewish Resettlement). (Cf. Hans Sode-Madsen: The Perfect Deception. The Danish Jews and Theresienstadt 1940–1945, Leo Baeck Yearbook, 1993)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresienstadt_concentration_camp#Used_as_propaganda_tool

 

No we have established with unequivical certainty that between 5 and 6 million Jews were systematically exterminated by the Nazi's.

 

A lot of the deaths of Slavs quoted (12 million) were more connected to the vicious war between the Nazis and the Stalinists than there were to specific Nazi extermination activities. The better estimates I have seen for non-Jewish victims of Nazi extermination policies were about the same as Jewish victims; around 6 million dead.

 

No, you just have to know where to look.

Search any other victim group. You'll find literally thousands of exhibits.

http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/holocaust/about/01/non_jews_persecution.asp


here's a particularly chilling exhibit.
http://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/microsoft%20word%20-%205610.pdf


there are literally tens of thousands of references.

 

Oh please, I never said non Jewish victims of the nazi holocaust were never mentioned, I said in the TEN MAJOR EXHIBITION ROOMS of the museum itself there ARE NO REFERENCES to non Jewish victims. If fact, you had to become a detective just to find a couple references in the archives of the ONLINE EDITION and neither of those mentioned the 14 million slav and 2 million Polish victims. The intent was to minimize the impact and suffering of anyone else and to put the complete and total focus on Jewish losses.

You'd think out of TEN MAJOR EXHIBITION ROOMS Israel might devote ONE to the 20 million non Jewish victims if nothing than more the to show the nazi holocaust was an abomination against humanity in general.

 

Do I need to post the descriptions from each of the TEN MAJOR GALLERIES to prove my point?

 

Except the Nazi's weren't trying to exterminate all Christians, the Jews were the only ethnicity selected for industrialized extermination.

 

Um aside from the 6 million Jews, only appx. 6 million civilians were systematically exterminated in the same manner as the Jews.

 

Um Vad Yashem has an entire exhibit and project exclusively for non-Jews called the righteous among the nations but their actual exhibits focus on independent Jews who died, this is not surprising considering that A) Jews were the only ethnicity singled out for systematic extermination, and B) it was built by Jews and is located in Israel.

 

Are you claiming 6 million Jews died in concentration camps and in gas chambers? Because if you are you're knowledge of the holocaust is woefully lacking.

Weird that non Jews are more informed then you.

 

Only 6 million non Jews? I thought it was more, I guess they don't matter because that number is so small.

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Uhhh, no, it's on ONLINE part of the VY that only mentions non Jews who saved Jews. Show us the section showing people who saved NON JEWS.

It doesn't exist because THEY DON'T COUNT.

 

Imagine a jewish holocaust memorial and research center in Israel whose public exhibits focus almost exclusively on jews.
OTOH, their education materials are full of such references.

keep

 

As I said, I don't have a problem with a holocaust memorial in Israel that emphasizes Jewish losses. If there were one in Poland I would expect it to emphasize Polish losses. If there were one in Russia I would expect it to emphasize Russian losses.

The issue is people claiming the HM in Israel gives proper and respectful tribute to non Jewish victims.

It doesn't exist, it is a lie.